Love can hurt... Alot

[someuser]

Oh my fucking God. This dude still had 3ozs of the stuff that he sold to a friend before!!!! Come to find out, he isnt so much a seller but mostly a users who does just a bit of selling on the side.

So now I got a fucking O of that bad ass mind blowing ganja he had. Man does it stink too!!! I'm so excited :jointsmile:

Life is good.

[420purpHAZE420]

haha...if hes more of a user i mite suggest asking smoking a little with him, then asking him 4 his hookup, so u can get that weed all the time 4 cheaper then ur getting it now

[JeenYuss]

mabe she felt too much of an attraction and got scared, idk man, im just 16 and i already kno loves a bitch, just smoke a fat bowl n get over it i guess

idk but these are some of the wisest words i've heard from a 16 year old

[Great Spirit]

Attachment is the killer. Learn to love unconditionally, and you will be at bliss because you are loving without attachments.

Just about all "relationships" are based on attachments.

[birdgirl73]

This is partially how I know you're dealing with psychological and intellectual issues, GS. For one thing, if you don't realize that emotional attachements are the essence of relationships (our ability to make those attachments begins with the attachments we form with our parents as infants), then you've got things badly turned around in your mind. This is no surprise to me, but you prove this fact in statements like you made above. Do some reading about attachment theory so you can inform yourself.

You also seem to have missed the boat on the subject of conditional and unconditional love. I noticed this on Oneironaut's thread, too, where you mentioned unconditional love. Little tip here: Romantic love is conditional. Always has been. Always will be. And it should be that way. Unconditional love is something that sounds terribly good when people say it. And, under ideal circumstances, it’s the sort of love that parents give to their children or which, for people of faith, a higher spiritual power bestows. But between young adults in a romantic relationship, reciprocal love is very much conditional upon fidelity, trust, honesty, affection. Many things. Don’t fool yourself into thinkng otherwise. If people didn’t have self-respect, those conditions wouldn’t matter.

[Great Spirit]

This is partially how I know you're dealing with psychological and intellectual issues, GS. For one thing, if you don't realize that emotional attachements are the essence of relationships (our ability to make those attachments begins with the attachments we form with our parents as infants), then you've got things badly turned around in your mind. This is no surprise to me, but you prove this fact in statements like you made above. Do some reading about attachment theory so you can inform yourself.

You also seem to have missed the boat on the subject of conditional and unconditional love. I noticed this on Oneironaut's thread, too, where you mentioned unconditional love. Little tip here: Romantic love is conditional. Always has been. Always will be. And it should be that way. Unconditional love is something that sounds terribly good when people say it. And, under ideal circumstances, itâ??s the sort of love that parents give to their children or which, for people of faith, a higher spiritual power bestows. But between young adults in a romantic relationship, reciprocal love is very much conditional upon fidelity, trust, honesty, affection. Many things. Donâ??t fool yourself into thinkng otherwise. If people didnâ??t have self-respect, those conditions wouldnâ??t matter.

Remember what I told you....and I hope I don't have to go over this lesson with you again. Claiming your enemies are mentally disturbed is a trademark tactic in fascist nations (USA).

True love is unconditional. It's called "compassion". Most people think of love as something just between man and woman and based on attachments such as level of beauty, money, etc.

I'll give you a good example. What if you were in a relationship for about 25 years..married and all. But as the years pass, both parties put on some weight and than they drift away from each other because they don't find each other physically attractive. But I thought they loved each other? Just goes to show that this kind of "love" was based on attachment and not compassion. It only brings temporary satisfaction, but when that drifts away, people are sad and miserable. Attached love is like a drug.

Loving unconditionally is a lot harder to do then to love conditionally, but it is far more rewarding and enlightening to love unconditionally. It's when we accept either parties the way they are without judgment. It's the middle of Light/Dark....aka balance.

You will save yourself a lot of pain if you just learn to love unconditionally and stay away from attached relationships. It's not worth it and I've seen too many people get hurt from it.

[someuser]

Wow, I'm surprised this thread is still 'alive'


Anyhow, I'm not going to endorse one argument or the other because I can see merits in both... All I can say is, in this instance, I love her unconditionally.

I dont care if she was a burn victim and in a wheelchair... I would spend the rest of my life taking care of her... I would give her a winning lotto ticket if it made her happy, I would send her my paycheck and live with my parents if she asked. I dont ask for anything in return... I wish I could atleast be her friend but even if she told me she hated my guts and wished I was dead I would still do anything for her.

It doesnt make sense, I've never been that way with any other girl before or after, I'm not clingy, a wuss, a push-over, or anything like that. I feel like I knew her my entire life from the minute we first held hands and laid next to one another on her bedroom floor. Even though I usually dont like people touching me, when I held her I felt like I was 'complete'. I dont mean that in a corny Jerry Maguire kind of way either! The first time we had to 'let go' after meeting the first day I felt this great sense of 'panic' and immediate emptiness and all I could think or feel was to be close to her again.


I also have a 4yrs daughter and I can say I would go to the same extremes (even further in some regards) with my ex as I would for my own daughter. If my ex ever died I already know I would kill myself and be buried next to her (whether she likes it or not!). If I married her it wouldnt be till death do we part but for a eternity together. I've been lucky to date a lot of beautiful and educated women but NONE can hold a flame to her. I know all that sounds obsessive but it truly is different... I know obsessive, and this isnt obsessive... This is a deep deep bond I feel with her... One I cant explain... I never felt it before or after.


Again, I'm 28yrs, I've dated a lot of women, I have a daughter, I would consider myself 'stable' and 'intelligent'... I even saw her recently, after 7yrs, and still didnt waver in what I would do for her... Not even after she just left and didnt say a word. I accepted she doesnt love me anymore but I still and always will love her 100% unconditionally. She is the most beautiful soul I ever met and this world would be empty and meaningless without her... I dont say these things to be over dramatic either. I would be dead in every sense of the word, emotionally and spiritually, if she wasnt in this world with me (even if she isnt next to me).


I hope everyone one day can find that kind of bond in their lives... It goes even deeper then what you feel for your own child... I cant explain it but it is the most beautiful thing I ever felt and a FAR FAR FAR better high then ANY drug I ever did

[birdgirl73]

Great Spirit, the fact is you're a deeply disturbed, distorted individual. People who interact with you know this, and we aren't fascist nations. We're just people who see that your thought patterns are way off the norm. We've seen you distort facts. Threaten to hang yourself. Predict wildly absurd political events that will never happen and distort events that have happened in the past. Even your family worries about your mental health, as you've related before. Also, as you may remember, I used your voluminous paranoiac political rantings as an ongoing case study in the first semester of my medical psychopathology class at med school. So that's also how I and the board-certified M.D.-Ph.D. psychiatry professors who taught that class know you live in Crazyville. And isn't it funny how we've never been granted status as nations at all, much less fascist ones?

You can dream your high-minded dream all you want about ideal, unconditional love and absence of attachments. That's because you can't understand the concept of emotional attachment and can only associate the word "attachment" with material or visual things. You also can't conceive that there's actually a self-esteem foundation in conditioning love upon affectionate treatment from a partner. I know from reading your response in another thread that you've not yet had a successful relationship with anyone, and so you probably can't fathom what I'm talking about anyway simply from lack of real romantic experience. It will not surprise me if you never have any lasting romantic relationships because I suspect you're as impossible to interact with sanely in person as you are in cyberspace.

Come back here with your high-minded relationship aspirations after you've had an actual relationship with a young lady (not just your short sexual attempts with two different partners). Or, better yet, do as my spouse and I have and make a marriage succeed--happily--for 24 years. Then once you have some actual experience upon which to base your theories, you'll be in a better position to discuss real relationships.

[Great Spirit]

Great Spirit, the fact is you're a deeply disturbed, distorted individual. People who interact with you know this, and we aren't fascist nations. We're just people who see that your thought patterns are way off the norm. We've seen you distort facts. Threaten to hang yourself. Predict wildly absurd political events that will never happen and distort events that have happened in the past. Even your family worries about your mental health, as you've related before. Also, as you may remember, I used your voluminous paranoiac political rantings as an ongoing case study in the first semester of my medical psychopathology class at med school. So that's also how I and the board-certified M.D.-Ph.D. psychiatry professors who taught that class know you live in Crazyville. And isn't it funny how we've never been granted status as nations at all, much less fascist ones?

You can dream your high-minded dream all you want about ideal, unconditional love and absence of attachments. That's because you can't understand the concept of emotional attachment and can only associate the word "attachment" with material or visual things. You also can't conceive that there's actually a self-esteem foundation in conditioning love upon affectionate treatment from a partner. I know from reading your response in another thread that you've not yet had a successful relationship with anyone, and so you probably can't fathom what I'm talking about anyway simply from lack of real romantic experience. It will not surprise me if you never have any lasting romantic relationships because I suspect you're as impossible to interact with sanely in person as you are in cyberspace.

Come back here with your high-minded relationship aspirations after you've had an actual relationship with a young lady (not just your short sexual attempts with two different partners). Or, better yet, do as my spouse and I have and make a marriage succeed--happily--for 24 years. Then once you have some actual experience upon which to base your theories, you'll be in a better position to discuss real relationships.

Please refer to my last post. You are living in a fascist nation. Making your enemy into being this mentally disturbed monster is a classic trademark of fascism.

You are free to believe your government sanctioned fairy tales that CIA asset Tim Osman...I mean Osama Bin Laden carried out the 9/11 attacks.

Its not that I hate you. Its that I just don't like fascists!

I was more then expecting you to disagree with me about the whole love thing too.

I guess we highly evolved/higher dimensional entities are not welcome in your 3rd dimensional reality because we can see a deeper meaning to things.

[birdgirl73]

I don't think you're a monster at all, GS. Just a disturbed, sad, and often crazily angry individual who distorts reality. You're calmer since your most recent return to the boards, and I wonder if you're on some type of meds now.

As for our disagreement about love-related matters, as I said above, we can talk about that again when you've had some real relationships.