Allow me to clear the confusion for you all. Bongs are better; for MOST people; not all. If you know how to roll a joint; not matter how you light your bowl the weed will burn slower allowing you to take more hits and waste less weed. I can roll a J that will burn for a good 30 minutes and not be to smoky in between hit (alot less smoke is let off then from cigarettes in between hits). When I smoke out of my bong it torches more; no matter if I'm cornering it from a distance letting it cherry, it doesn't matter. Bottom line, if you know what your doing your joints should last longer with more hits even using the same amount when you know how to roll it where it will burn less. I know LIP can roll joints that last 45 minutes and practically not smoke between hits; joints like these are guaranteed!