Quote Originally Posted by amberler
All your links bar a couple are about increased smoking rates, which are down the stupidity of people smoking not the non smoking majority. We wont really know what the full effect this ban will have for a long time yet. These increased smoking rates could be a reaction to what many feel is a persecution - this is of course speculation.
Did you notice the Spanish link and what happened there. However all over the World there has been the natural decline in the smoking preference, but the bans stop this and but them in reverse, and I have showed the Government this and they still will not admit they are wrong this is what gets me.

Here is the Irish chart; the ban stated on 3/04 the percentage of smokers was 23.1 now over three years later itā??s 25.5, and notice before the ban it had a natural decline.

And look what has happened in Northan Ireland in a few weeks;

Smoking outside ain't no drag for 'smirters' - News - Sunday Life

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Quote Originally Posted by amberler
If pubs and clubs were exempt then it would leave an opening for more litigation in the future as it's supposed to be protecting workers.
The thing is that all the real studies from, HSE, WHO, BMJ, and the Cancer Society themselves say there is hardly any harm in SHS, actually milk has a slightly higher rating then SHS, they have based this ban on estimates, and a report thatā??s called the SCOTH Report, we call the SCOTH Fable, and some of itā??s members are also members of ASH, which are anti smoking, I have now found out that the Welsh Assembly, which we call ASS and the DOH, donā??t even have 83 of the studies I asked them for, which are in the SCOTH Fable, so that means that no one has actually read the so called studies, as the immortal Rigsby once said, stop the World I want to get off.

By the way when I win the Euro Lotto, guess what I am going to buy ??? An Island, and with me being Emperor, King and Government, guess what will be legal ??? hehehe, and guess what your all welcome. [/quote]

Quote Originally Posted by amberler
I consider vehicle emissions a different debate.
Yes they are different, they are a Billion times worst, only thing is you canā??t see them, but you can see Tobacco smoke, and 99% of that is water.

DIRECT MEASUREMENT read-outs from BC AirCare laboratories indicate that vehicular emissions 1995 in the Vancouver's Lower Mainland amount to 324,500 tons, or 2 pounds per person per day. How does that compare with 0.5 millionth of a gram per cubic foot of Environmental Tobacco Smoke in a normally ventilated room? [/quote]

Quote Originally Posted by amberler
I think it's fair to say we are not going to agree on this one But I would like to have seen smoking and non smoking premises but that would have involved too much common sense for any government. Smoking pubs would then have been ideal places to start the sale of cannabis I'm just dreaming now :P[/color]
Well we do agree on the separate smoking rooms with ventilation and filtration, and that all we want. Yes when we go to the courts against the Government in the Judicial Review that is all we ask them for separate smoking rooms with ventilation and filtration.

I have a sneaky feeling that 80% of the Government are computer programs, there to make the wrong decision and to wind us up, the Government must be intelligent people, I mean they can all get A+ in maths and English and know how to write a formal letter and all that crap, but have they the common sense and the street wise, no they have not. [/quote]

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