Taking the government to court over the smoking ban please help

[robert42]

there should be pubs for smokers

and pub for non smokers

[Divadish]

HERE HERE

[bradesbounty]

UNDER THE HUMAN RIGHTS ACT THE LAW STATES NO PUBLIC BODY SHALL PERSECUTE AN INDIVIDUAL PERSON. THE LABOUR GOVERNMENT OF TO DAY HAVE PAST A LAW WHICH ONLY APPLYS IN SCOTLAND TO SAY YOU CANNOT SMOKE IN PUBLIC PLACES THIS LAW BREACHES THE HUMAN RIGHTS ACT AND IS COMPLETELY ILLIGAL IT TAKES AWAY YOUR HUMAN RIGHTS OF FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION FREEDOM OF CHOICE. ALSO IF YOU SMOKE WEED AND YOU TAKE IT TO STOP PAIN OR IT IS PLEASING TO YOUR WELL BEING IT COMES UNDER A SECOND HUMAN RIGHTS ACT WHICH SAYS YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO FAMILY LIFE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO PEACE IN YOUR OWN HOME YOU HAVE THE RIGHT NOT TO SUFFER AT THE HANDS OF GOVERNMENT OR POLICE REGIMES IT IS AGAINST THE HUMAN RIGHTS ACT FOR ANY PUBLIC BODY TO CAUSE MENTAL OR PHYSICAL SUFFERING TO YOU, TONY BLAIR HAS DONE WHAT MAGGIE THATCHER DID WITH THE POLE TAX SHE TRIED IT OUT FOR A YEAR IN SCOTLAND FIRST BECAUSE SHE NEW ALL THE SCOTTISH MPS WERE ASS HOLES ,.>TONY BLAIR HAS DONE THE SAME WITH THE CIGS LAW ITS ONLY ON TRIAL IN SCOTLAND. TO FINISH I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY I DONT SMOKE CIGS. BUT THE CORRECT WAY TO GO FORWARD IS TO BE FAIR TO NONE SMOKERS AND HAVE PUBS THAT WANT SMOKING TO GET A LICENCE TO SMOKE ,SAME WITH HOTELS CAFES ETC THEN IF YOU DONT LIKE SMOKING DONT GO IN >" FIND SOMEWERE ELSE THAT DO NOT HAVE NO SMOKING VERY SIMPLE
TONY BLAIRS ANSWER TO THIS WAS WHAT ABOUT THE STAFF WHO HAVE TO WORK IN A SMOKEY PUBS ETC THE ANSWER TO THIS IS FIND A JOB IN A NONE SMOKING PUB ETC. THATS WHATS CALLED EQUAL RIGHTS UNDER TONY BLAIRS EQUAL RIGHTS ACT ... BE HAPPY:rastasmoke:

Not sure if I can do this, but we are all smokers and it is for a good reason, please moderators, please check our site out, we are really doing what I say but need help.

If some of you like me love a blow, then stroll down to your local bar for a few beers and cigarettes, next year the government are trying to stop us. We have worked out that not one person has died from passive smoke and no one has been harmed, and the smoking rates are up in Ireland and Scotland since the bars, if you want hard evidence of this please ask.

We have so much evidence, like smoking rates are down but cancer is on the rise, is all the diesel in the air and other pollutants, but the numbers of smokers have gone up in Ireland and Scotland since the bans came in.


Freedom To Choose News, Scotland

Our new site is up and running, please please please could you donate, it would make our day, a £1 £10 £100, or even a £1000000 pounds, I hate asking for donations, not sure if I can on this site, sorry if I can't, but it is for a great thing, it's for the Judicial review to stop the UK Government from implementing the smoking ban in pubs and clubs, come on all lets put one over on the Government, lets show them ass's up, we actually had an amendment put in the house of Lords, it was for smoking rooms in pubs and good ventilation, 70 Lords voted for, but 215 against, when we win we will then help every country.

Here is a little bit from,

http://www.smokersclubinc.com/module...ticle&sid=3374

Speaking exclusively to the MA, their leader and spokesperson Robert Feal-Martinez said,
"We had a full consultation meeting last week with Swindler Gill of Omero's. "Mr Gill is a Judaical Review specialist and has indicated that we have a number of key areas on which to challenge the Government.
"We have devised an action plan and are currently collating the evidence ready to refer to our Barrister"

He went onto say that Mr. Gill has consulted with Richard Gordon QC a top civil rights Barrister who is keen to take on the case.
The man for us Martinez said: "Obviously we are delighted with this news, we identified Mr. Gordon early on as the man for us, and hopefully this will be the case."

Freedom to Choose now needs to raise the money for the case and would ask that any group, company or individual who can financially assist gets in touch.

Martinez said,"We have been writing to individual members of various trade bodies as we feel the executives of the main organizations have let their members down. We are getting more and more support."

He concluded by requesting that trade leaders now get involved, "Surely it's better for Pub's and brewers to donate a few thousand to our fight rather than spending millions which in the end we believe will not be necessary. Our legal team are confident we can win. So are we."

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[mattmao]

NEPALEESE i will back you all the way.once again the goverment has taken away freedom of choise!!i have many friends who own there own bars,they as a group approched the goverment to see if the could turn there pubs into smoking only pubs,which would still leave freedom of choise,ifyou smoke there is a public house for yoy,and if you dont there will also be public houses to accomodate you.so everyone still has a choise and nobody is being dictated to!!good luck and may the force be with you!!
by the way the goverment would not entertain the idea of smoking omly pubs!!

[bluerasta]

whats the problem i understand the freedom off choice , i smoke but have no problem with going outside for a smoke,no one is allowed to smoke in my house, don`t care if its pissing down with rain, got young kids and it makes the house smell shit, respect those who don`t smoke,
anyway smoking outside is better, go for a walk take in the view.
eaaasy

[plymouth stoner]

it should b down 2 the landlord of the pub if u ask me, so ok they serve food n they'l have 2 sort sumfin out! i think they should ban fags in public but allow weed spliffs cuz they smell lovely,plus evry1 can chill the f@ck out!

[Nepalese black]

Hi there all,

We are;

Freedom To Choose

Thx for all the support, and yes this is about freedom to choose, come on lets put one over on the Government, for Gods sake stand up for your rights, as most of the British public are damn apathetic, and I also respect the people that have different views,

We have made contact with the organiser of the Shisha Bar campaign which hit the news last week. We are getting together early next week to try and pool resources as he has also instructed council to go for a JR on their behalf. He had never heard of us and was very excited by the prospect of fighting this together. Let us hope that a few rich Arabs are standing in the background ready to fling a few thousand barrels of oil at us!!
This may also be a good opportunity to show that Muslims and Brits can fight together for their cultures.

WE NEED DONATIONS AS WE HAVE THE FINAL three hour consolation with the solicitor and barrister to ensure that our case is as water tight, please just a £1, £10, £100 or even £1000000.

IN MY POSTING I NOT SURE IF I MADE MYSELF CLEAR, but what we are lobbying for and taking the UK Government to court for is â??NOTâ?� to stop the smoking ban, â??butâ?� for an amendment, which would allow separate smoking rooms with filtration and ventilation, this is fair and non-biased, like the old days, or as someone said be down to the landlord, that is the way in Spain, please see the below, on the more smokers when there are smoking bans.[/quote]

Most young people think becoming a smoker is the norm
Cancer Research UK : Most young people think becoming a smoker is the norm
And too see gangs of people smoking outside will make this far worst, as it is in other countries.

New Zealand smoke more after the ban
Scoop: Smoking Prevalence Falling Too Slowly

Italians smoking more despite national ban
SignOnSanDiego.com > News > World -- Italians smoking more despite national ban

Spain: Spaniards knuckle under to new smoking curbs and there are 1/2 million less smoking, because they allow smoking in the pubs
Spaniards knuckle under to new smoking curbs: poll

New York has a bar smoking ban, so Smoker Numbers Rise,
Smoker Numbers Rise, but Mayor Lauds Other City Statistics - September 15, 2006 - The New York Sun

Ireland Has Almost 20 000 More Smokers after the ban,
Ireland Has Almost 20 000 More Smokers

Smoking rates up in Scotland,
Smoking ban 'a triumph of propaganda over science' says Imperial as sales and profits rise | Business | Money | Telegraph

Pubs now gone bust = 1,000+.

Jobs lost by the beginning of last summer = 12,000 (more now).

At least 20,000 more smokers in Ireland now then there would have been if the ban had not taken place.

Gallagher tobacco have announced for two years running a 4% increase in profits.

R.J. Carroll have also announced a rise in profits.

A thriving and booming black market in tobacco products which the Irish government is unable to control.

More young people smoking.

Loads of adapted outdoor areas plus countless secret back rooms and lock-ins.

Cancer on the rise.

Children are victims of smoking ban, says study
Scotsman.com News - Tobacco - Children are victims of smoking ban, says study
Children's passive smoking increases after pub bans

The Publican - number one for licensed trade news, and Proud of Pubs - Home - Children's passive smoking increases after pub bans

And there is not one name of a sinlge person who has been harmed or died by passive smoke.


This has actually gone thought the Houses of Parliament and we had 70 votes for and 210 against, that is why we applied for a Judicial Review.

ANYONE WANT STUDIES PROVING SHS SMOKE IS HARMLESS PLEASE SAY

Nepalese black

[orgasmic]

'come on potheads'

are you just here to advertise to us just because you think we will agree?

[orgasmic]

I think in the US, if you ask a smoker to stop smoking near you, he legally has to stop.I think that would be enough, if it was enforced.

i can imagine a LOT of fights over this.........

[Nepalese black]

If anyone wants to help they can donate here; Freedom To Choose

And please donâ??t say you will do it later, as I used to be like that, that way things never get done, and please do it right now, if you value your freedom and what to stop this dictatorship.

In one way I am here to advertise, as we are all smokers of tobacco, and I donâ??t think there is anyone here who likes to be told what to do with their lives, and that is exactly what the Government is trying to do. I mean in some, (only some mind you) US states, you canâ??t smoke in parks, beaches, you have to be ten meters away from all public places, and this will happen here, as who though ten to twenty years ago smoking would be banned in pubs, and cannabis would be legal in the UK, if you said that in a pub them many years ago they would look at you daft, now look what someone is saying for the year 2008, and this time I am not laughing.

Itâ??s not going to stop at smoking;

Three drinks and you're out: the pub rationing plan

ONE of Britainâ??s leading surgeons has called on the government to introduce curbs on the sale of alcohol, limiting the amount that customers can consume per visit to a pub or bar. Next will be how much and what foods you eat.

John Smith, president of the Royal College of Surgeons of Edinburgh, believes that such restrictions would be the logical next step to improving the nationâ??s health following the ban on smoking in public buildings.

Smith believes regulations in Britain could save lives while cutting alcohol-related illnesses and violent crime.

â??The legislation to ban smoking in public places is very welcome and a big step forward. The logical thing to recognise now is that smoking is bad for you, as is alcohol,â?� he said.

â??Should we now limit the amount of drink that can be served in pubs? If, as a nation, we are serious about trying to prevent illnesses associated with social habits, then this is something that must be considered seriously.

â??I think for a government to follow the American model of saying, for the benefit of each patron, we will provide two drinks only, would be very interesting to look at.â?�
We all would need an ID card, and it would me marked, so if you had two drinks in one bar, you would not be able to have anymore in another bar.

Restrictions already operate in some American states. The city council in Santa Monica, California, has powers to impose a two-drink ban in bars while voluntary schemes operate in Virginia, Oregon and Massachusetts.

Last week the National Institute for Clinical Excellence (Nice), which advises on the cost effectiveness of providing treatment on the National Health Service, said patients who endangered their health by smoking, gross overeating or heavy drinking should be denied medical treatment.

Currently guidelines recommend that men should drink no more than three units a day, which is the equivalent of two pints of beer, two glasses of wine or three measures of spirits. Women are advised to drink no more than two units.

Smith, who hopes his views will become the collegeâ??s policy, said that it was up to ministers to decide on the practicalities of a ban.

â??I realise that not everyone is likely to agree with this and there will be those who will claim it would be another example of the nanny state,â?� he said.

â??I also realise that the implications commercially for hotels and publicans would be huge, because we all know that they make a lot of their money through mark-ups on drink. But it is the logical follow-up to banning smoking in pubs and other public places. As a wine lover I would be prepared to lead by example.â?�

Please all we want is separate smoking rooms with ventilation and filtration, itâ??s fair, non-biased, and the best all round situation, so anyone like to donate ??? Or are you one of the nanny state lovers, however if you do support this ban, we all have a right to our opinions.

Wayne