Taking the government to court over the smoking ban please help

[Nepalese black]

Hi there all,

Not sure if I can do this, but we are all smokers and it is for a good reason, please moderators, please check our site out, we are really doing what I say but need help.

If some of you like me love a blow, then stroll down to your local bar for a few beers and cigarettes, next year the government are trying to stop us. We have worked out that not one person has died from passive smoke and no one has been harmed, and the smoking rates are up in Ireland and Scotland since the bars, if you want hard evidence of this please ask.

We have so much evidence, like smoking rates are down but cancer is on the rise, is all the diesel in the air and other pollutants, but the numbers of smokers have gone up in Ireland and Scotland since the bans came in.


http://freedom2choose.co.uk/news_scotland.php

Our new site is up and running, please please please could you donate, it would make our day, a £1 £10 £100, or even a £1000000 pounds, I hate asking for donations, not sure if I can on this site, sorry if I can't, but it is for a great thing, it's for the Judicial review to stop the UK Government from implementing the smoking ban in pubs and clubs, come on all lets put one over on the Government, lets show them ass's up, we actually had an amendment put in the house of Lords, it was for smoking rooms in pubs and good ventilation, 70 Lords voted for, but 215 against, when we win we will then help every country.

Here is a little bit from,

http://www.smokersclubinc.com/module...ticle&sid=3374

Speaking exclusively to the MA, their leader and spokesperson Robert Feal-Martinez said,
"We had a full consultation meeting last week with Swindler Gill of Omero's. "Mr Gill is a Judaical Review specialist and has indicated that we have a number of key areas on which to challenge the Government.
"We have devised an action plan and are currently collating the evidence ready to refer to our Barrister"

He went onto say that Mr. Gill has consulted with Richard Gordon QC a top civil rights Barrister who is keen to take on the case.
The man for us Martinez said: "Obviously we are delighted with this news, we identified Mr. Gordon early on as the man for us, and hopefully this will be the case."

Freedom to Choose now needs to raise the money for the case and would ask that any group, company or individual who can financially assist gets in touch.

Martinez said,"We have been writing to individual members of various trade bodies as we feel the executives of the main organizations have let their members down. We are getting more and more support."

He concluded by requesting that trade leaders now get involved, "Surely it's better for Pub's and brewers to donate a few thousand to our fight rather than spending millions which in the end we believe will not be necessary. Our legal team are confident we can win. So are we."

Nepalese black

Nepalese black Reviewed by Nepalese black on 12-20-2006. Taking the government to court over the smoking ban please help Hi there all, Not sure if I can do this, but we are all smokers and it is for a good reason, please moderators, please check our site out, we are really doing what I say but need help. If some of you like me love a blow, then stroll down to your local bar for a few beers and cigarettes, next year the government are trying to stop us. We have worked out that not one person has died from passive smoke and no one has been harmed, and the smoking rates are up in Ireland and Scotland since the Rating: 5

[weedmaster]

i think they r right to ban smoking in public places,and yes i do smoke

[amberler]

i think they r right to ban smoking in public places,and yes i do smoke

I also agree with the smoking ban. The rights of non smokers to cleaner air far outweighs my right to force the breathe in my smoke and making their clothes smell.

If it was up to me the smoking ban would go even further than it does now.

And yes I smoke.

[Nepalese black]

Hi there,

You two really surprise me, but totally respect your views. On all the other smoking forums we have had all for us, and they donate lots of money to our judicial review, come on potheads, please help us stay smoking in the pubs and clubs.

http://freedom2choose.co.uk/

But if you go you our site you will see we are pushing for separate smoking rooms and good ventilation, then the air will be very clean. But this is also about freedom of choose, they will not stop here, some places in the USA, they donâ??t allow you to smoke in parks, and this is about stopping the UK nanny state, they are trying to control us slowly, after the smoking, they are then going to focus on diet and health and drink.

They are spending and wasting 50million or more on this so called smoking ban, and that money should be used to save real lives, to buy new machines for hospitals, or it should be used to help the starving of this World, or be given to me to by more blow hehehe.

But there is a problem with the clean air issue, perfume, and as just about everyone drives a car, and every time you start it you contaminate the air big time, one hour drive in just one car put more pollutants in the air, than all the passive smoking has ever done,

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/die...ng_cancer.html

MSP Patrick Harvie said spending 24 hours in Glasgow city centre was the equivalent of smoking 15 cigarettes. Oxford city centre has the worst air pollution in the country, according to a survey which compares inhaling the air there to smoking 61 cigarettes a day, so passive smoking is one big needle in one big haystack. So with all the toxins in the air, is a ban in bar and clubs, really worth all the time and money, as your breathing in toxins all day, the only difference with cigarettes, is you can â??seeâ?� the smoke, when good ventilation could be far more useful. When good ventilation could be far more useful, and it can get rid of all the toxins in the air, I can prove evidence and links.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4401628.stm

http://archive.thisisoxfordshire.co....8/27/9214.html

David Attenborough program, the average family of four, with cars and homes produces â??40 TONESâ?�; have to repeat that â??40 TONESâ?� of toxic fumes each year from the petrol, diesel, electricity, gas and so forth, diesel fumes contain four known carcinogens.

As the Government keeps bring up numbers that stat anywhere from 600 to 6000 people die each year from passive smoking, BUT NO ONE DOES DIE, OR GET HARMED, IT'S A COVER UP OF ALL THE TOXIC FUMES IN THE AIR, as no one can name one person, no not "ONE", not the Government themselves no the UK statistics can not name one person, the BMJ can not name one person, no can the Office of Tobacco Control.

The names and address of these people, and the hospitals they went to treat them, as all hospitals keep records, and would have logged down how and what effects the second hand smoke did to these people, and also please name confirmed people that have been harmed because of second hand smoke, and the names and address of these people, and the hospitals they went to treat them, as all hospitals keep records, and would have logged down how and what effects the second hand smoke did to these people.

So why is all this money being wasted ??? When these millions could be used to save real lives, I am totally dumbfounded by the whole issue, as with all the pollutants in the every day air we all breath in, breathing in a little bit of passive smoke is so dame trivial, if your going to worry about passive smoke after breathing in all the pollutant and toxics in the air, it is like compeering passive smoke one very small needle and the air outside one very big haystack.

What if I tried to convince you of an illness, but could not produce one casualty, bet you would look at me as if I was dumb, that is what I/we look at you.

Nepalese black

[2mass]

I totally disagree with the smoking ban in pubs and restaurants, smokers have rights 2 and I think that all public services should have a smoking section.
Having said that nepalise black I don`t think theres gonna be anything we can do 2 stop the smoking ban but good luck with it anyway.

[Synthesizer Man]

MSP Patrick Harvie said spending 24 hours in Glasgow city centre was the equivalent of smoking 15 cigarettes. Oxford city centre has the worst air pollution in the country, according to a survey which compares inhaling the air there to smoking 61 cigarettes a day, so passive smoking is one big needle in one big haystack. So with all the toxins in the air, is a ban in bar and clubs, really worth all the time and money, as your breathing in toxins all day, the only difference with cigarettes, is you can â??seeâ?� the smoke, when good ventilation could be far more useful. When good ventilation could be far more useful, and it can get rid of all the toxins in the air, I can prove evidence and links.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4401628.stm

http://archive.thisisoxfordshire.co....8/27/9214.html

Oxford City really is that bad. The funny thing is that no cars are allowed to drive right into the city centre. That means the only thing causing the pollution is the buses. High street was described as a huge bus park, and it is. Bus after bus after bus passes by, blowing fumes and hot air all over me. And not to mention the noise.

I'd prefer to have someone smoking next to me, than hot bus exhaust. I've had one cigarette today, no spliff yet, but need to go to the bank in town. If I smoke nothing else by the time I get back, I've smoked the equivalent of 62 cigarettes.

[gildoiski]

the smoking ban has been active now in Scotland since may 06 and I for one think it's the best thing the government has done. I am a smoker of some 18 years but prefer the atmosphere of cleaner pubs.

It's also amazing how many hot women you can chat up when you're "banished outside"

[Nepalese black]

the smoking ban has been active now in Scotland since may 06 and I for one think it's the best thing the government has done. I am a smoker of some 18 years but prefer the atmosphere of cleaner pubs.

It's also amazing how many hot women you can chat up when you're "banished outside"

I respect you for what each person thinks of this, but itâ??s more than just about the smoking ban, itâ??s about freedom of choose, the Government is trying to rule us, next you will have to smoke 10 yards from the pub, and not be allowed to smoke in parks, this is all ready happening in some stats in America, we need to stop it now, next it will be drink, then they will un-relax the cannabis laws again, please see the fill below last link, this country is turning into a communist country, with id cards on the way, cameras every where.

This email is being circulated to all who have pledged a donation,

Please please please a £1, £10, £50, or even a £1000000, come on people letâ??s stop this ban and put one over on the Government

Anyone who wants to join our forum please do, www.thebigdebate.org

As you may all ready know we have consulted with solicitors for the Judicial Review, Jaswinder Gill of Ormerods. "Mr Gill is a Judicial Review specialist who have said that our case merit and have agreed to take it on, that was back in August. If you want a full write up, on anything in particular, please say.

We will be going to see the solicitor again later in January and will, therefore, need to have the donations all cleared through the bank by that date in order that we can add to the client account.

Well, it is crunch time now guys and I need you to get your cheque books out or phone Bob with your debit/credit card numbers as soon as possible. Bob's details are as follows:-

Bob Feal-Martinez will be accepting and accounting for all monies received.

You will be able to donate either by Credit or Debit Card ( with the exception of Amec or Diners Card) by phoning Bob on 01793 822997.

Or please go to our new site and pay by Paypal, http://freedom2choose.co.uk Please say who you are and which site you are from, we can then thank you, if so some reason we canâ??t, I will now thank you in advancement, thank you

Alternatively, you can post cheques, made payable to R.Feal-Martinez or Jaswinder Gill of Ormerods at:-

The Carpenters Arms Motel
Old Vicarage Lane
South Marston
Swindon
Wiltshire
SN3 4ST

Many thanks to you all - without you we could not have got this far.

Here is some interesting reading, as people all over the country are stating to see the Government are using the smoking as a cover up, as the rise in cancer is diesel and the pollutants in the air,

http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/di...pNodeId=126190

This is also about freedom of choice, see this, it, very frightening.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...g+your+freedom,


Wayne

[MrGuyUK]

hmmm i dunno if im for or against the smoking ban. personally, i don't really like smokers (of cigs obviously) i dont understand how it can be justified. the cons of smoking outweigh the pro's.

But i'm for the freedom of choice. it's a good point that non cig smokers (like me) have the right for cleaner air, i think that does outweigh smokers rights to kill themselves. If they choose to do that, let them. Just stop spending millions on advertising telling them they're killing theirselves, they already know lol.

[MrGuyUK]

Oh, and just to blow your arguement way out o the water.

I live in a village just outside Huddersfield. But the only famous thing we have attributed to us (apart from last of the summer wine being filmed around here) is Roy Castle. Just search his name in google. Do a quick read of his life, and then how he died. Passive smoking the "illness" Roy Castle the casualty

Not being arsy or anything, i wish you best of luck, and im all for freedom of choice etc. I dont realy want a public smoking ban, even though im against cigarette smoking. But you are lying to yourself and other making out that passive smoking and cigarette smoke isn't a danger.