with out insults or anything i'm going to telll you why i said what i said...A. i wouldn't trust any seed company or any online anything, because i don't care how many good comments they got on their site (because they could all be fake for all anyone know) or how "discrete" their shipping is. B. the reason for not trusting the discrete shipping is because if you can figure it out, so can the cops. C. i really don't like it when someone encourages trouble on someone else I.E....getting someone else to use their credit card because the ppl who want the stuff are too scared to use their own....now if i was cuz they didn't have a CC and that was all the site took, that's understandable....but that's not what you were implying. those are the reasons right there....also it's not good in general to advertising on a forum.....very tacky in my opinion.....the advertisements should be paid for by the company to be put on another site, or an affilate site that does it free....or good ol' word of mouth....also i don't buy the part about just trying to spread it around for the good of the community...there are thousands of seedbanks in the world....if ppl wanted seeds they could surely find one....