Quote Originally Posted by mrdevious
"lean not to your own understanding"?

I preferre the Buddha's "Believe nothing, no matter where you hear it, no matter who has said it, even if I have said it, unless it makes sense to your own logic and common sense".

Telling an atheist he/she will find god through intellectual submission to an unproven entity is not going to convince him/her. When people say "submit to gods will and you will find him", and outsider such as myself views this as "submit to the belief until the part of your mind that question's it goes silent".

My personal belief is that true salvation lies in humanities understanding of the universe and its workings. When we understand everything in existence and how to control it, we will then have control over our own existence parallel to that of the illusionary god we worship.

If any of you wish to believe in god, I'm certainly not going to convince you otherwise. But I would ask that you at least hold philisophical belief over doctrine. Philisophical belief is open to intellectual interpretation, discussion, exploration, and change. Doctrine chisseles a belief in stone and has been responsible for thousands of years of oppression, particularily of those seeking to make progress at the expense of the doctrine of dominant powers (that includes religious, political, and otherwise). Believe what you think is right, but don't supress all else to others or yourself. Everything, including our knowledge, is ultimately impermanent.

This is a spiritual Board Mr. D. What your describing is a psychology board or forum. The ancient word psyche is the very word translated soul. Psychology is the study of the intellect emotions and will. The Word of God exhorts to learn to discern the Soul (psyche) from the spiritual. They are radically different. Many of you here do not understand this at all. Busy arguing with your minds, the Spiritual passes you by. Full of mysteries.

It's like 2 dimensional world telling others what 3 dimensional world looks like. Pretty ridiculous.