Quote Originally Posted by hazetwostep
harris specifically but anyone is welcome to contribute,

understandable about not wanting to get into the disproving of a higher power as that is another never ending discussion.

without us getting into the actually discussion of it, could you at least give me an example of an argument or two with scientific evidence suggesting there is no existence of a higher power?

i have never heard one as this is a new question i have...it was stimulated from this pleasant and interesting discussion; leave it to the potheads to be able to have a completely civil atheist & agnostic & believer (in something) talk! imagine if the world leaders passed a piece pipe before meetings...

good times everyone...
Haze you've reversed the process, one needs to support their own claim.
"the burden of proof rests on the person making the claim"
ie. it is your job to prove it as you cannot disprove something that dosn't exist.

You haze cannot disprove my claim:
That i have a large invisible dragon in my bedroom.

Please disprove that... you cannot. (this measure dosn't prove truth)
But if you as me to prove it:
and i cannot (the only reason i cannot prove it is because it dosn't exist)

but to answer your question the "problem of evil is an argument against the idea of "God""

check that out on wikipedia if you like.

My position on the subject is that people start out non-believers, some change their views because of something. I argue that, that "something" that makes them change their views isn't valid. And that becoming a believer is wrong.