Learn to defend yourself - it could save your life

[The C]

I say the goverments law shoudl reflect the peoples laws, if the poeple cant have guns, neither can their miliatary....

And think of what we can do with the present military budget, hell we can use it to feed countries which are envious of us.

We can save the world......

Just an on the spot idealisic thought.

What if we could polie the the gov;t...?

The C

[Torog]

Man, that sucks! I hate to see people call for someone to be banned. Torog is a big boy now, and can handle these types of people himself rather well. Hell, I bet he likes seeing liberals lose their cool. That means he has hit a nerve. If you ban all the fun people, this place will get boring.

Toker

Howdy LT,

Thanx for them kind words..and yer right..I'm 10 foot tall..and Wall to Wall..-I've only begun to fight !!! Yeeehhhaaawww !!!

Have a good one...Torog

[heartsurgerysurviver]

Hi Lt and Ghost
I found button's post to be inmature and uncalled for. It WASN"T button's calling TOROG those names but ANYONE being called those names!!!!!
There are ways to express one's self without the name calling.
Are members here allowed to say anything offensive?
I still say ban them.
people like that aren't needed here IMO
you all have a great day
peace
heart

[Kombucha]

Very few criminals in the UK have guns, especially not petty criminals as they are so difficult to get hold of. Most burglars are just guys that want to grab some stuff then run off, they are rarely armed with anything. However, kitchen knives are often grabbed by panicing burglars. In most cases self defence techniques can be used, as burglars do not go looking for a fight. Just shouting at them to fuck off will often make them take off, they aren't the mafia, just cowardly twats who want some money.

[Libertarian Toker]

Very few criminals in the UK have guns, especially not petty criminals as they are so difficult to get hold of. Most burglars are just guys that want to grab some stuff then run off, they are rarely armed with anything. However, kitchen knives are often grabbed by panicing burglars. In most cases self defence techniques can be used, as burglars do not go looking for a fight. Just shouting at them to fuck off will often make them take off, they aren't the mafia, just cowardly twats who want some money.

That is kind of funny that you would think telling a panicing criminal that just grabbed a knife to fuck off would cause him to run from grannys house. I can picture it now. As the criminal is running for the door in a paniced fear from the raging granny with the foul mouth he yells, "mug ya later bitch". It would seem little old ladys are fair game in England, and I doubt criminals would just pick houses to rob were people that could defend themselves lived. Sorry granny, but in England your a prime target.

Toker

[maryjanemama]

I have a dog that barks at the slightest noise, but we also have guns in the house. I don't think a burglar would think twice about shooting my dog or me. Burglars that are tweaked out on meth or crack will do WHATEVER it takes to get money or something they can sell for money. Unless you are a skilled fencer, I don't think a big knife is going to help the situtation at all. The same goes for a bat. I'm 5' 6" and a chick, what the hell am I going to do to an armed, drugged out robber with a gun, if I'm waving a bat around? Die. That's about it.

[Libertarian Toker]

Hi Lt and Ghost
I found button's post to be inmature and uncalled for. It WASN"T button's calling TOROG those names but ANYONE being called those names!!!!!
There are ways to express one's self without the name calling.
Are members here allowed to say anything offensive?
I still say ban them.
people like that aren't needed here IMO
you all have a great day
peace
heart

I don't mean this in a nasty way, so don't be offended.

"I found button's post to be inmature and uncalled for.:

I find your post to be inmature and uncalled for.

"It WASN"T button's calling TOROG those names but ANYONE being called those names!!!!!"

Sticks, stones, you know the drill. They are just words, they can not hurt you unless you let them.

"There are ways to express one's self without the name calling."

And there are ways to deal with loudmouths without banning them.

"Are members here allowed to say anything offensive?"

Are we not allowed to say anything offencive? Are you the one to tell me what is offencive to me?

"people like that aren't needed here IMO"

Sure they are! How are they going to learn if they don't get a chance to see? What kind of people do you think we need here anyway? Blond hair? Blue eyes? Assholes are people too! Don't discriminate against them. I happen to be one, and I find it offencive when assholes get banned for just being themselves.

Toker

[Libertarian Toker]

Just to be fair to England, we ain't no better.............

http://start.earthlink.net/newsartic...301_lead_story

AUBURN HILLS, Mich. - Players and fans exchanged punches in the stands as an NBA game turned so ugly a police investigation was necessary. Indiana's Ron Artest and Stephen Jackson charged into the stands and fought with fans in the final minute of their game against the Detroit Pistons on Friday night, and the brawl forced an early end to the Pacers' 97-82 win.

"I felt like I was fighting for my life out there," Pacers coach Rick Carlisle said. "I'm sorry the game had to end this way."

Officials stopped the game with 45.9 seconds remaining after pushing and shoving between the teams spilled into the stands once fans got involved by throwing things at the players near the scorer's table.

About three hours following the startling finish, Auburn Hills police walked out of a television trailer with videotapes gathered from various media outlets.

Officers interviewed witnesses at the arena in suburban Detroit, and planned to talk to the players involved in the melee.

"We'll put it all together, take it to the Oakland County Prosecutors Office and have them review it and they'll decide if there are any charges," Auburn Hills Deputy Chief Jim Mynsberge said. "I hope we can do it before Thanksgiving."

Mynsberge added: "At this time, we don't have any indication of major injuries."

That's probably the only fortunate fact.

"There's no place in the game for what went on with this incident," said Joe Dumars, the Pistons' president of basketball operations. "It was just an ugly scene."

Detroit's Larry Brown, who started coaching in 1972 after his playing career ended, said it was the ugliest thing he had seen as a coach or player.

After several minutes of players fighting with fans in the stands, a chair, beer, ice and popcorn were thrown at the Pacers as they made their way to the locker room in one of the scariest brawls in an NBA game.

It all started when Detroit's Ben Wallace went in for a layup and was fouled hard by Artest from behind, and escalated when Artest stormed into the stands after being hit by a full cup.

After being fouled, Wallace wheeled around and pushed Artest in the face. The benches emptied and punches were thrown.

As the players continued shoving each other near center court and coaches tried to restore order, Artest sprawled out on his back on the scorer's table, looking relaxed.

Just when it appeared tempers had died down, Artest was struck by a cup thrown from the stands and jumped up and charged into the stands, throwing punches as he climbed over seats.

"He was on top of me, pummeling me," fan Mike Ryan of Clarkston said. "He asked me, `Did you do it? I said, `No, man. No!'"

Jackson joined Artest in the melee and threw punches at fans, who punched back at them.

Security personnel and ushers tried to break it up. Former Pistons player Rick Mahorn, who was seated courtside as a Detroit radio analyst, tried to stop the brawl in the stands. Detroit's Rasheed Wallace and Indiana's David Harrison were also in or near the stands trying to break up the fights.

Later, a man in a Pistons jersey approached Artest on the court, shouting at him. Artest punched him in the face, knocking him to the floor. Teammate Jermaine O'Neal stepped in and punched another man who joined the scrum.

"The NBA is withholding comment until it can review the incident," NBA spokesman Tim Frank said.

Players from both teams left the arena without comment.

Quentin Richardson of the Phoenix Suns watched the brawl on television.

"I have never seen a fight like that in a game since I was in high school," he said. "Man, there are going to be some lawsuits. You don't think some of those fans aren't going to want some NBA money?"

Police prevented reporters from crossing the loading dock to get to Indiana's locker room or the area where the Pacers' bus was located.

"I'm just embarrassed for our league and disappointed for our young people to see that," Brown said.

Artest has been involved in some bizarre situations, but his latest antics topped them all.

Earlier this month, he was benched for two games for asking Carlisle for time off because of a busy schedule that included promoting a soon-to-be released rap album.

Artest also destroyed television monitors at Madison Square Garden two years ago and missed the team flight to Game 6 of the Eastern Conference finals at Detroit last season.

Before the contest was stopped, Artest had quite a game and the Pacers were dominating the defending NBA champions in their first meeting since the Eastern Conference finals.

Artest scored 17 of his 24 points in the first quarter and the Pacers led by 20 in the second. Detroit used a 9-0 outburst early in the fourth quarter to close within 82-77, but couldn't get closer.

Indiana's next game is Saturday night at home against Orlando, while Detroit hosts Charlotte on Sunday.

[Torog]

I have a dog that barks at the slightest noise, but we also have guns in the house. I don't think a burglar would think twice about shooting my dog or me. Burglars that are tweaked out on meth or crack will do WHATEVER it takes to get money or something they can sell for money. Unless you are a skilled fencer, I don't think a big knife is going to help the situtation at all. The same goes for a bat. I'm 5' 6" and a chick, what the hell am I going to do to an armed, drugged out robber with a gun, if I'm waving a bat around? Die. That's about it.

Howdy MaryJaneMama,

I agree..it's best not to bring a knife or bat..to a gunfight..lol.

Mornin LT ,

You made a good point about banning jerks,one can invoke the ignore option if need be..I prefer to lead by example..

Have a good one y'all...Torog

[Kombucha]

No a bat or a knife in a gunfight is no use, but the point is, we DO NOT HAVE GUNFIGHTS IN THE UK. No one can get hold of a gun. Burglars are rarely armed. And yes they do often run if you act like you aren't scared. They do not want to be caught and will almost certainly be very nervous walking round someone elses house.