i got a roor 5.0 ice master i love it...indeed there more expensive but i got lucky and got adeal for mine 110$ shipped which aint bad...but hey everyone has thier own way of smoking so who cares...if they want to spend 500$ on a bong thats thier money not yours to worry about...alas if i had 500$ to drop on a bong i wouldent do it id buy a volcano instead lol