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12-14-2006, 06:54 AM #11Senior Member
Some of my issues with "intelligent design."
Ok so if I understand correctly...its obvious that the existance of God can't be proven. But what you guys want to know is WHY THE BELIEF of the existance of God stands strong in the heart of PTS and a whole lot of others and even me. Unfortunatly, the support of our belief that god exist will not satisfy you.
The reason why the support of our belief wont satisfy you is because it wont be based on a theorie, fact, evidence, proof or whatever procedure that we use in science. Eck you might probably think its an irrational belief but if it was the case then there is a shitstorm of irrational believers..so il try in the best of my abilities (I'm french so its kinda hard ) to show you some support of the belief of the existence of God that are somehow rational...logic
The reasons why there is a lot of people who believes in God today are
1- The past of our human kind and the ignorance of the primitive mind. The ignorance can be seen twice through the age of man.
First, I think that science (a majority I guess...) as come up to a hypothesis (its maybe a theory..) that before society ever existed, when we where in total survival mode (Kinda like what Rousseau thought) we were probably very well and food was abondant (like the garden in the bible..that garden might represent earth...well maybe more like Africa with a hole lot a fruit trees. This might look irrelevant but its still still plausible for many people today hehe).
Anyway, to make it short man always loved sex if you just think of how it feels and thus we end up making a lot of babies..multiplying till we one day see that we are to many now and there is not enough food and etc etc...thats paleontology and history...you can find the rest of the story up to date somewhere or in the educational system.
Ok so from the start we were happy and food was abondant..but what were we thinking back then on the meening of life. We suppose that the surviving DNA of our kind might be Adam...(BTW that Adam DNA thing I saw it on a respectable tv channel but I cant remember the show so please correct me if I'm wrong). Even so, there were probably pacific tribes or mini-societies that were thankfull for there periods of prosperity. If that kind of thinking were present for many generations well when your thankfull you adresse to who?...Today it is by some to science because its helped us in countless ways but by a lot of people it was and it is still a higher power ( again check your history on mankind) like nature or whateverstay they did adress to in the past and now.
Second, I suppose strongly that when Descartes developped is theory of the cogito and therefore the importance of developping sciences and technics based of mathematics. Basicaly the new logical way of explaining the ways of the world. I meen by the word logical in our capacity of reason: science and all the *sciences that goes with that
**Philosopy, sociologie, history, geologie etc for human sciences
***Mathematics, physics, biology etc for pure sciences
2- Therefore, some of the anwser found by science disaprouved many things that were told, believed or even worshipped (in worst cases hehe) but the thing is that at that time man was without a doubt curupted by power (organised religions thats you hehe) so the problem was the wrong doings of some men that controlled the masses like a shephard with is sheeps. Eh the irony is that usualy the shephard care for is sheeps. Why? because its is food to survive. The basics. So that's why billions of people still believe that there is a god who gaved us nature, evolution, reason etc wich is good in our lives And to know that by all means we humans have a common goal wich is the survival first (this is not attained everywhere but it could and everyone knows that) and global happiness (still needs a lot of work). These goals exist and we are making our way up to it but what seems to happen here is that it slows down because of a greed for power. This greed that we didn't have before until we faced the rarety of ressources versus the unlimited needs of humans wich is worsed by the developped society since its filled with greed..devouring and polluting nature. So living in a luxurious world burning up he ressources is the product of what we worshipped before...for some yes but at a time were everything was abondant things were different, we were thankfull.
Now, I'm not saying that I despise all of what science created...for that of wich is good that comes out of a man's hands or mind I am thankfull. I put my faith in science and in man. But, this does not meen that I am not thankfull for the things that were there long ago, wich man as nothing to do with or can't modify....yet.
ok I could go on but I think its time for me to tell you my beliefs wich i think is a God.
First the definition of a god is defined by us humans so if we can define God or what is it well its everything that we can come up that is impossible for us to do or comprehend. But, the thing is that with evolution, we might yet understand if we survive for say a couple of billion years. See where I'm going here.
Then what is God? Who is he? I don't know..maybe someone that gave us purpose. A man perhaps...or maybe the will of mankind....Yep..I'd go for that idea wigh seems logic but still unprovable but luckly there is a lot of time to think about it if we survive =)
Feel free to put any comments on it
peace
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