Quote Originally Posted by Billionfold
Nobody can, and that's whats so damned cool about it. It's kind of like how the government beats down on marijuana, when we all knows it's not as bad as they claim.
And our belief that marijuana isn't as bad as they say, and our believe that we don't deserve to be imprisoned for it, is based on real evidence. It's based on a huge multitude of scientific studies (IE. some of the ones in my sig), a logical interpretation of the success of the "war on drugs", and our own observations of its effects and how it doesn't destroy our lives like we're told. Simply "experiencing" god is not evidence of him, it's evidence of a mental event that has all sorts of causes such as emotion, social/parental conditioning, and fallable leaps of logic. We would need to actually see this god, or have some physical evidence of his existence, in order to believe in him.

Otherwise people interpret their own neuro-chemical events which create certain psychological images/notions, as their "proof" because "I can just feel it deep down. I know deep in my heart".... IE. the processes in their brain have convinced them so thoroughly there's a god, they replicate the emotional/psychological conditions that would arise from actual evidence, leading them to accept the pre-concieved notion as fact because it has the same psychological impact. What people don't, or refuse to consider, is that the right mental conditioning, regarding any concept, can easily convince you of anything with the same result of actually seeing it with your own eyes. Most people think that there would surely be some small degree of doubt within their psyche to counteract this if it didn't really exist, but this is simply not so. People don't give the capabilities of their own brains to fool them enough credit. There are solid neuro-chemical reasons why schizophrenics can be CONVINCED beyond any doubt whatsoever, more real than any belief in god, that the voices in their head threatening them are absolutely real.

Well, some of us have a relationship with God that others do not. Feels just as good.
I'm sure it does feel just as good, but this only proves an internal mental event, not an external being (especially one that has a petty ego, imposes codes of morality that are primite products of primitive societies, and imparts wisdom that's immensely weak. "thou shalt not kill"? Anybody can do that, how about a blueprint for a clean-burning car fuel? How about a cure for cancer?).

All I'm saying is that if you really believe in god, there should be no fear in considering and thoroughly researching every argument and every argument against that argument. I went in, firmly holding to my belief in god, researching these arguments and debates so that I could firmly know that my assumption of god was correct. Instead I found the opposite of what I was looking for, and rather than throwing away my intellect and believing what I wanted, I realized that I couldn't hold to something just because it's a nice idea, the evidence supporting the non-existence of god was clearly more logical.

Merry Christmas all.
mrdevious Reviewed by mrdevious on . Some of my issues with "intelligent design." I don't mean this as an attack on anybody for holding such beliefs, but I do bleieve it's essential to give serious and logical consideration to both sides of such a claim. It's nobody's "fault" for holding beliefs for or against god, but merely their belief that their reasoning is sound, is what's faulty. That being said... INTELLIGENT DESIGN: Before considering intelligent design, also consider this; does it not seem a bit suspicious to you that that we carry SO many behavioral Rating: 5