I'd just like to point out to any creationists out there, that I will not be a condescending asshole and say "yeah! see! I told you so, I'm right, I'm the winner, blah blah blah blah....". I can't stand it when people do that. I hold these discussions solely for the purpose of engaging, and encouraging others, to have philisophical discussions and have hopefully make us all questions our suppositions and give our brains a workout.