question about hell...

[Immolation]

As far as Satan and Hell go.Why didn't god being all knowing, know that satan and a 1/3 or his/her army would rebel? Is this part of his plan?

And do people have freewill in Heaven?

[braddog100]

i would like to learn more about what the bible/jesus says about hell?
somethingâ??s dont make sense to me but thats probably because i dont understand it.

i guess god created it, cuz he made everything...

satan was sent there to be punished?
does he rule it now? if so why is he so mean to people like him?

umm. share anything else that comes to mind

thanks

It's hard to imagine how any demonic beings could interrelate well amonst themselves. Caught up in their own selfishness and hate.

Hell is the absence of God in any venue. He brings clarity and light to everywhere He is welcome. This is particularly critical as it relates to areas of our soul. Our soul (intellect, emotions and will) is very complex, and compartmentalized. Passions, sympathies, aspirations are all developed by the interrelationships ~ in the soul, and are all made alive by the presence of God The reciprocal is to accept confusion and darkness by default. Demonic access/confusion is a drag by any stretch of the imagination.

The tough thing in my early Christian life was the confused view of my actual desire for Him to occupy all areas. The Demonic hassle that comes due to the Lords absence, tought me my actual need for Him. It is when I resist submission to his access that suffering comes. But that is how I learned.
The Lord is much more patient than I have perceived. He lets things play out to their inevitable conclusion. He is never hard. It is our choices that bring us the most pain.

I'll check on permission to download an audio/prophecy on Utube of Heidi Baker. It breaks through alot of confusion in this area.

Your asking alot of honest questions. Be encouraged. "Those who seek Me Shall Find me". says The Lord.

[MastaChronic]

ive resisted "submission" to this magical man in the sky that protects you from evil and nothing bad has happened to me. i wonder why.....................

[HiProGlow]

Though I don't pretend to know a lot about Lucifer, can you imagine what it would be like for him if we were to use him in a story. Say he was cast out of the prescense of God. He's now on the face of the earth but he's forgotten his roots and even, who he is. The whole time he's there, he's lusting after the flesh of humankind and hording all the "trinkets" that humanity fights over. Materialism/Hatred/Jealousy are his greatest weapons and he nows how to stir them up within a person. He knows how to use our natural desires destructively and for our demise. And then sudenly he begins to realize the consequences of what he's done. How he's been cast out of hell and how this world and everything in it is his. All the people he's hated or lusted after are now skulls (don't forget his immortality); all the money in the world is now his; there is no God for him anymore; there isn't even another soul to torment anymore. And then it hits him.....he has everything he ever wanted for an eternity....all by his miserable, lonesome self and the self same "world" he ruled slowly becomes his eternal prison.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

Though I don't pretend to know a lot about Lucifer.....

you realize, of course, that you've have just defined earth as hell.

now i don't exactly disagree with the premise, but our more devout friends might take exception to the concept. this would mean that, in essence we atheists are correct. with hell defined as the absence of god, our residence in hell would deny us any access to the deity. without access, salvation becomes impossible and belief becomes a torture in itself.

personally, i kind of like the concept that the most devout among us are the great sinners, condemned to eternal torment; while we unbelievers are merely the natural denizens of satan's kingdom, content merely to exist.

[Oneironaut]

Hell certainly can't possibly exist, or else heaven could not exist. How could anybody possibly live in eternal bliss when they know some of their loved ones are being tortured for eternity?

And why would God deem it just to torture people indefinitely with no chance of forgiveness ever? How is it that God has totally forgotten the idea of forgiveness which he supposedly taught to mankind in the form of Jesus Christ? Having people tortured for all eternity is the most immoral possible action one can do, therefore God has to be the most immoral being in the entire universe if there really is a hell. Nobody deserves infinite punishment, for the simple reason that we can only commit a finite number of wrongdoings in the finite time we have on earth.

Why doesn't God punish Satan? Why does God allow Satan to enjoy whatever sick pleasure he gets from torturing people by tossing him all the sinful souls?

And, what are the criteria for going to hell as opposed to heaven? Where is the cutoff point? If a man is just beneath the cutoff point and gets hit by a bus just before he's about to do some grand noble deed, does he go to hell? And if he does the noble deed before getting hit by a bus, does he go to heaven? That makes no sense. To anybody with any experience in human society, it's obvious that there aren't two groups of people called "good people" and "evil people". There is a continuum between extremely good people and extremely evil people, with most people lying at various points between the two extremes. Any real system of justice would have to take this into account, dishing out reward and punishment in varying amounts depending on where the individual lies on that continuum.

Hell, obviously, is a primitive concept invented by ancient superstitious people who were struggling with two things: the existence of evil in a world they assumed to be ruled by an all-loving god, and the apparent lack of a karmic system of justice in our lives (good things happen to bad people and vice versa). It's safe to say we can dispose of this destructive idea in our modern, scientific society. And it's crucial to realizing that reward and punishment need to be made by human efforts here on earth if we want a world with any semblance of justice.

[Pass That Shit]

Seperation from God is death. Without him we are dead. We can be walking the earth dead but are not in hell. Hell is a literal place under the earth. It's a temporary grave for the dead soul. But yet in hell, a dead soul has eyes and a tongue and feelings.

[wayoftheleaf]

hell is actually a waiting point. After the rapture, all of those in hell are sent into the lake of fire with satan, after 1000 years of life on earth with jesus christ erecting the capital in jerusalem, satan is allowed to tempt god's new children for one season, after that all of god's faithful create a new kingdom and jesus vanquishes satan to the lake of fire for all eternity.

And once you die, if you go to heaven(we actually don't go to heaven until after satan is permently sealed in the lake of fire, before that we are in a waiting point like hell, but much more luxiourious)you no longer miss those who will or are in hell. You understand that they had the same choise as you and they didn't do what they should have done. You might feel a twinge of regret, but not sorrow.

[mfqr]

hell is a place where all the cool things happen. in fact, the truth is actually the opposite of what the bible says. it's all a trick--worship god and go to heaven. however, the name 'heaven' is deceptive, because it is actually what the bible says hell is. in reality, hell is what the bible says heaven is. it's all a trick, worship satan.

[MastaChronic]

yes, worship me