Genocide

[greenmanondeck]

i am a 16 year old black person that smokes weed all day who is going to listen to me

[BlueCat]

i am a 16 year old black person that smokes weed all day who is going to listen to me

Smart thinking.

[BlueCat]

Serj from SOAD?! I thought he had long hair? I like it short. He is so good looking. *sigh*

[Ozarks]

No Ozark that wasn't what struck a nerve but if you'd like a struck nerve review: The Muslim (Arab) Government in Katun is not killing the Christian (black African) minority in Darfur with American weapons.


That is not true. You don't know that. They are killing them with American weapons we have been selling weapons to them for quite some time. It is just easier to believe that it is not happening.

This is true, the Sudan Government issues Russian made AK-47 rifles, 7.62 Chinese ammo and Chinese made "knock offs" of the BHP Pistol

Next was this statement: And it's going to continue until people have non-corrupt Governments that at least acknowledge the human being as such, and have a functioning economies.

We ARE corrupt, there are no non corrupt governments. It is a beautiful idealogical thought and it would be great if it worked that way. It doesn't. OH then it was also the rude conspiracy theory crack.

Lack of perfection is a reality on this planet, if you can not accept that fact you are going to be greatly disappointed thru live. The difference in America is "if" you get caught you will be held accountable, unlike the majority of the rest of the world, Thats one thing America does right.

Corporate control and arm sells ARE NOT conspiracy theories. Anything anyone does not know about seems to be labeled conspiracy now a days.

If you really think Corporations "control" Government arms sales, How come Congress votes "no" on a large percentage of the proposed sales ? If they can't buy off Congress they can't have much control.

Or how about this brilliant Orwellian thought: yes, companies defend their interests/investments just like people do. Who would have thought that the people who run them big bad evil corporations would let human emotion enter into their judgments on business matters.

No one I know behaves like this. Maybe you have a habit of making your neighbors fight and kill each other so you can buy their houses. I don't know.

You protect your interests everyday, by the decisions you make just like business, thats what I meant. Someday I going meet someone on the INTERNET who has actually read 1984.

You might want to read up on the Coca Cola plant in Columbia too. They are doing such fine humanitarian things these days.

http://www.killercoke.org/

Drink Pepsi help save the world.

then you said: All the "it's America's fault, corporate greed/conspiracy" Bla-bla-bla is just background noise.

I never said it was all America's fault a fact I have repeated more than once and I don't like having my opinion dismissed as background noise.

That was generalization aimed at no one person, you choose to put yourself on that list.

next you said: I'm proud that America always tries to do the right thing, we're not always successful but we are committed to trying. There will always be people that can not be honest enough with themselves to admit all that's right with my country. .

America does not always try to do the right thing. show me. Make me a list. what did they do right in El Salvador, anywhere in Central America or even south America. What have they done right in Iraq?

How about

BILLIONS we send to Africa for Aids
BILLIONS sent world wide to fight hunger,poverty and sickness
BILLIONS given to Governments to help their people and they stand up and talk bad about us and we keep on "trying" to do the right thing.
There was a Tsunami a couple years back we gave BILLIONS & flew our choppers to deliver it.
We are always at the head of line to try and do the right thing.

No point beating a dead horse, I can't believe you asked such dumb question but I won't beat you over the head with it to hard


In Iraq we are "trying" to do the right thing, and we're in a mess.

NO YOU are not committed to doing anything. The young people of the arms forces are the ones that are committed. Have you or your children served their country? You are so ready to put "boots on the ground" in Africa are you or your children prepared to go?

I don't want to debate my honesty,so let's just leave this at, Thank-you for all your family has done.

BTW I am a very honest person I know exactly what is right with my country its called the Constitution it sure as hell isn't Michael Bolton or any other member of the bush administration.

Your judgment is so blinded by partisan hate that a good man (Bolton) can't help. Maybe someday you'll love the people of Darfur more than you Hate Bush.

What's right with my country? Oh well I don't know... I think the elections went rather well don't you?

For me great, I make money either way. For the people of Darfur our election results were their death sentence.

I don't want to get in a flaming war with you. You have your opinion and I have mine.

I'm not "flaming" you, we're debating, toughen up, listen up. I'm not going to hurt you

[BlueCat]

Vast government subsidies are sought after in the pursuit of arms trading.

US and European corporations receive enormous tax breaks and even lend money to other countries to purchase weapons from them. Therefore tax payers from these countries end up often unknowingly subsidizing arms sales.

While there are countless examples, a recent one that made a few news headlines was how Lockheed managed to get US subsidies to help sell a lot of fighter planes to Poland at the end of 2002/beginning of 2003. This was described as the biggest deal ever in Europe at that time.

U.S. arms corporations assiduously promote exports to maintain their profits. (Publicly, of course, they talk about the need to maintain jobs and the "defense industrial base.") These corporations are among the largest in the world, and they have tremendous political influence. Arms industry executives sit on federal advisory commissions at the Commerce, Defense and State Departments dealing with arms export policy issues, ensuring that their preferences are well known to administration policymakers. In addition, the industry provides hundreds of thousands of dollars annually to Congressional campaigns, ensuring that their lobbyists have access to Members of the House and Senate. They also pump cash into Presidential campaigns (usually to both sides, just to be safe), ensuring access at the very highest levels.

Using this clout, arms exporters have arranged it so that the American public pays $6-7 billion annually to market and finance sales of their product. On top of that, the public bears the costs of researching and developing the weapons in the first place. One of the corporate lobbyists' top priorities in past years was to have Congress repeal a statute which mandated that foreign customers be charged a fee to refund U.S. taxpayers for some of the R&D costs. The arms industry claimed that this feeâ??which has returned several hundred million dollars annually to the Treasuryâ??raises the price of the weapons and makes them less competitive.

The Clinton administration and the Republican 104th Congress both supported the repeal of this "recoupment" fee. The ASM Project fostered citizen and Congressional opposition to this plan by publicizing it widely through the media. However, in 1996, Congress effectively abolished the requirement that Foreign Military Sales include "recoupment fees" on weapons systems being exported around the world. More information on Recoupment.

The arms industry lobby continues to press for new financing (or easing of the regulations for current financing programs) to underwrite arms sales. Information we obtained from the Pentagon allowed us to expose the massive amount of outstanding military loans for which the U.S. government is liable, and the amount of these loans which are currently in default. More information on the recently created Defense Export Loan Guarantee program.

Industry has (effectively, thus far) sought to paint these subsidies as a matter of national security: If taxpayers don't subsidize arms sales, the industry might lose a deal to a foreign competitor; this would lead to the shutdown of a production line, thereby endangering America's very security. Never explained is why America needs to maintain surplus arms production lines in the first place. (If U.S. forces were still buying the weapon system, loss of foreign sales would not affect the continuation of the production line.)

[BlueCat]

What is it you like about Bolton? I am willing to listen I never saw him as appropriate for the job.

toughen up, listen up. I'm not going to hurt you
Oh yeah I'm afraid thats it.

you never answered. Have you served in the military? How is answering that question debating your honesty? It is a fair question because everyone one I meet that supports the war either is not willing to serve or does not have a family member serving. SO I always ask. Why do you have a problem with answering?

You should not be willing to put other people children in harms way and not your own.

[Psycho4Bud]

You should not be willing to put other people children in harms way and not your own.

You know my son served and if he had to go back because of "issues" I sure the hell wouldn't be impressed if it were Somalia. It's one thing to take care of matters that need to be dealt with as apposed to those created by another "Western" country. Somalia is going to be a REAL shithole when/if they send troops.

I find it ironic that people want Rumsfeld held accountable in front of a world court in Germany for acts at Abu Ghraib prison and other U.S.-run facilities but yet NOBODY calls for any French official for the actions in Algeria, Rwanda, and Sudan. A handfull of tortured victims VS. 800,000 dead Rwandans. UNREAL!

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[BlueCat]

I don't want my son there either! No way.

I think anyone guilty of war crimes should be help accountable in the World court including the French.

[Ozarks]

What is it you like about Bolton?

I like Bolton Because he actually produced positive results and moved the program forward on 3 very important issues

Have you served in the military? How is answering that question debating your honesty?

I didn't want to debate me but yes I have served in the military

It is a fair question

No its not, it the latest game by the left to silence the free speech rights of anyone they disagree with. I have never been on the Space Shuttle, but I have the RIGHT to an opinion about it.

because everyone one I meet that supports the war either is not willing to serve or does not have a family member serving. SO I always ask. Why do you have a problem with answering?

It is the Right of every American to support/oppose the war, it is their duty as citizens to be informed. The idea that any American can't support/oppose the war unless they/family served is a insulting dodge to the free speech rights of ALL Americans and a personal insult to EVERY veteran who served in defense of America and her Constitutional principles, by the left who only supports the 1A when they are being told what they want to hear.

You should not be willing to put other people children in harms way and not your own.

More nonsense from the left, free Americans can't have voice an opinion until they pass a test or meet some requirement,and only then can they exercise their rights, only then does their view count.

You claimed in a previous post to "support" the Constitution, supporting it sometimes for some people isn't what its about.

Next time you read it, try to remember its talking about ALL Americans.

[BlueCat]

it seems any question that does not set right with you is a PLOY from the left. Fuck the left right shit. We are Americans first. I am not left or right. I am a mom caught in the middle, YOu can support any war you want just don't start talking about sending my kid to anymore wars so you can feel "like you are doing your patriotic duty.

It is very understandable not to trust ANYONE that is not willing to put themselves in the same situations you want to put our troops in. Its YOUR right to wage war with other people children?

No you haven't been on a space shuttle but last time I checked 20 year old kids were not getting their legs blown off riding the space shuttle.

If you want to debate war and not get personal don't talk to me. It is personal for me. I live it every time the phone rings.

Heres the education I got from my last call: You want to know what the medics call the brain matter that is stuck on their shoes "OIF". damn I got OIF all over my friends cd player and it stinks. SO I ask what the heck is that? It stands for Operation IRAQI freedom. Just lovely, brain matter and bone is operation iraqi freedom and it is a common term they use everyday. Imagine being covered in blood and shit so much it has a vernacular expression.

I have very little to say to arm chair soldiers. Sure it is your right to vote but I think you'd give that vote a lot of thought if it was YOUR kid.

Now you are talking about boots on the ground in the Sudan? DO you think we could finish the Iraqi war 1st?

It sickens me how you people feed on war to make yourselves feel like you are doing something good and then call it an American right. Honestly do you have kids? What are their ages oh thats right that is PERSONAL we have to keep this war at a distance wouldn't want to get personal wouldn't want to attach REAL faces.

I really have nothing else to "debate" with you. We are never going to agree on anything