Saudi Arabia, Friend or Foe?

[Zimzum]

Clerics should combat militant ideology, Saudi says

Reuters
Tuesday, December 5, 2006; 8:27 AM



RIYADH (Reuters) - Clerics in Saudi Arabia, which is fighting a violent campaign by al Qaeda supporters, must do more to stamp out militant thinking among Saudi youth, the interior minister said in comments aired on Tuesday.

"All our clerics must act, because it is their role to correct the convictions in the minds of youth everywhere ... and to be constructive and not instruments of destruction," Prince Nayef bin Abdul-Aziz said in comments shown on state television.

"Unfortunately, hostile forces have managed to infiltrate some Muslim ranks and mobilize them to do acts against Muslims, and this is regrettable," he said.

Saudi Arabia, the world's biggest oil exporter, has said it detained 136 suspected Islamic militants who were planning a series of suicide attacks and assassinations.

The government said the men, including Saudis and foreigners arrested over the past months, had secured the approval of unnamed clerics.

Officials have said that a "correction program" has straightened out the thinking of over 700 Saudi men who had believed in the "takfiri" ideology behind al Qaeda, which launched a campaign against the U.S.-allied monarchy in 2003.

"Takfiri" is a term used for groups or people who brand Muslim governments or ordinary Muslims as infidels because of policies, behavior or beliefs.

Militants in several parts of the world use the "takfiri" ideology to justify attacks on governments, foreigners and civilians.

A member of the committee has said young people were attracted to radical Islamist ideology through preachers' sermons and lectures, as well as religious edicts on the Internet and in books.

Clerics are a powerful force in Saudi Arabia, which enforces a strict form of Islamic law. King Abdullah has advocated cautious social, political and economic reform since he came to power last year.

Zimzum Reviewed by Zimzum on 12-06-2006. Saudi Arabia, Friend or Foe? Clerics should combat militant ideology, Saudi says Reuters Tuesday, December 5, 2006; 8:27 AM RIYADH (Reuters) - Clerics in Saudi Arabia, which is fighting a violent campaign by al Qaeda supporters, must do more to stamp out militant thinking among Saudi youth, the interior minister said in comments aired on Tuesday. "All our clerics must act, because it is their role to correct the convictions in the minds of youth everywhere ... and to be constructive and not instruments of Rating: 5

[Bong30]

Foe now.....but if more of this starts.... and after Islam goes through a refomation all will be good.

All Muslims need to stand against the radicals......(all)


then kill the rest and we will be able to live in Peace.....:thumbsup:

[Zimzum]

I would just like to add This. Its a Thread from a MMORPG I played. Its a guy who lives in Saudi Arabia. He was trying to answer questions people might have on islam. Whille the age range of people there are alot lower then here, some of the questions he did answer I beleave are worth a look at.

[Bong30]

need a user name and password ..Zim

[Zimzum]

Sorry didn't realize that. Copy and pasted his replies.

Quote:
Originally Posted by LadyKiKi
Hm. I think I'll question what the terroists are doing/thinking. I heard that other Islamic people claim that they are not really Islamic, but in the same way, they claim to be acting under Islam. Like, today, why all the hatred still for the rest of the world? What exactly are they thinking and are trying to accomplish ... ?
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iam sorry for late post ... but its 3:30 am here -.- but ill try and answer most of them

ya what you heard is true ... the "terroists" think this war is against islam and arabs are a like , it all started when the "terroists" ask the arabs leaders keep the jihad with Israel after the we arabs lost to them , they even said if we want to take down Israel we must bring down there "big daddy" the U.S but the arabs leaders didnt give them an ears , so after few years they start saying that arabs leader are the same lvl as Israel and U.S for not going to war with them
so few of them left the country and made there self as "new arab leader" and went to jihad with Israel ,U.S and few other arab country but by doing that they break the 1st rule of jihad and they are :

1st the arab king/leader must give the word for jihad

2nd we must not raids house *only if needed without breaking alot of stuff in the house*

3rd we must not kill child/women/man without a Weapon

the sad thing they think they die in name in allah and islam but they are not :/



Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Wonko
How the hell can something called "falafel" taste so fucking great?

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sorry arab onry art :P

"falafel" mean alot of hot stuff in arabic :P



Quote:
Originally Posted by Direwolf
Here is a question, Shittes vs the Sunnis and kurds. I really can not tell the diffrence between them, honestly can barely tell the diffrence between the diffrent christian denominations but none the less, am curiuse to why there is such tension between the diffrent religions. All the explanations I have had where garbled at best, and really from the viewpoint of an outsider looking in.

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well the tension start with like 1200 year ago and it happn in irag too ,
it start with sheah *Shittes* said abot Prophet Muhammad that he not the really Prophet , so you can say sheahs and Sunnis worship allah but they got there own way of doing that

the kurds: think of them are big family *you know my family name is kurdi too* they just want part of the land ...

you can say its same thing it happn with you guys in christian
in catholics and the protestants


Quote:
Originally Posted by Sculli
One doesn't have to be of islamic faith to answer that question: They don't like American's, simple as that, and who can blame them.
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well most arab dont trust your leader but we dont hate the ppl

but i wont lie if there is some arabs who hate you guys too


Quote:
Originally Posted by tonicfly
yeah most americans don't trust our president most of the time either. I would like to ask what your views of the war that is going on right now in all honest truth. i am in the us army and i quite frankly think it is alot of BS for the government to obtain control over regions that are rich in oil
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well at 1st i dont think this war is against islam , but it hard to say now after the events that took in abo-greb and the rumor going on in Gitmo base ...


Quote:
Originally Posted by Arctyrael
I assure you Dayner, if the intentions were war on Islam, there would be just about as much outrage in the United States as there would be around the Middle East.

I wouldn't put too much past Mr. President Bush, but I don't think even he would have the gonads(balls) to attempt to fight a religion. All I am saying, is that this war is an attempt to stop Islamic Extremists from killing innocent Americans. I have seen nothing to indicate further. It is unfortunate however, how REMOTE situations including Abu Graib and Gauntanamo Bay are being handled.
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that maybe true but after the abo grab pic

alot of arab said " so this is democracy that bush well give it to us , by making us slaves , naked and set dogs on us"

there few ppl that stll hate me for playing this game too
and keep saying "they well put you in slave and naked"

arabs dont trust your leaders words anymore

Quote:
You said that people do not trust our leaders. And Dayner said the many do not hate Americans. Why does it seem that something is not adding up here. Arabs want to kill Americans because they do not trust the leaders, when the majority do not blame Americans. Is this supposed to send a message to our leaders? If it is, the hostage situations clearly show this to be a false belief. Fortunately and unfortunately, America does not deal hands with 'terrorists.'
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in few arabs mind *Islamic Extremists and terroists*
what americans want = bush well do it coz he won by vote

they dont care % betwen voters , they know that bush is the leader of americans and he carry americans will

*edit*

there alot of americans here in jeddah and nothing has happn to them


Quote:
Originally Posted by Arctyrael
I don't understand what you mean. If you could clarify that would be post excellent.

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what americans want = bush well do it coz he won by vote

they dont care % betwen voters , they know that bush is the leader of americans and he carry americans will
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Certainly inciteful. But I believe Bush does what Bush wants to do lol. The election was close enough to say that 50% of America was scared of Bush. The other 50% were scared of Kerry. Of that 100% population, maybe 20% truly felt the candidate they voted for was qualified.

Bush only carries about 1/2 America's will if you very seriously only consider the numbers. It may be what the arab's believe, but I can't say it is true.
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ya i know the election was close enough but to them bush won and its end of the line , they dont care abot the other 49% they care abot the 51%

Kerry is not the leader bush is
and the "leader" in arabic mean "guy who well care his ppl/country will"

Quote:
Any idea why persians hate being called arabs?
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in short an answer
we "the arabs" beat persians and made islamic kingdom there abot like 1300 year ago

the persians land are in irag and iran

there is stll some tension between us and persians like naming the arab/persian gulf


A followup question about his view on OPEC
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arabs dont hate OPEC infact we love them

alot of arab think that the U.S dont want to deal with OPEC anymore so they start to take iraq oil

even tho iraq is no longer part OPEC , alot of arab stll think it is an arabin oil

that what most arab think

[Hamlet]

Well done Zimzum...open dialogue is the best defense and offence we have. Even if it is in a MMORPG. Maybe we should make the 'Artargs' in Washington play Final Fantasy...lol

Share some thoughts with a perceived enemy and it's not so easy to hate them, is it? You realize they're just people like us trying to muddle through life the best they can.