Quote Originally Posted by ny2casports89
My whole point was that from the time i piss until the time my piss gets tested is at the very least a few days....so if hes getting drug tested on the spot, i would assume his piss could be a few days old. The parts about the creatnine break down i mentioned were all on speculation, so i'm sure what your saying about that is true. However i'd still assume that the overall idea of my post is true otherwise everyone of my drug tests would have failed or showed some kind of error.And the apple juice thing... i dunno what you are you trying to say, I never suggested he should use apple juice, I was just using it as an exaggerated example of why they test for creatnine.



Quote Originally Posted by ny2casports89
I only provided the facts about the way i get tested then stated my own assumptions about it and thought i made it clear they were my own assumptions.

But i still feel my assumption is pretty valid, considering my situation. My urine sample is collected at my house, it is then put in a bottle sealed and sent to a lab where it is drug tested. The sample could take a couple days to get to the lab depending on when it is shipped, so the drug testing company would have to account for this.

My whole point is, and these are facts, the time between when my sample is collected and the time any drug testing method is used on it, is at least a couple days.
Looking back at the last part you are not stating facts. You are trying to make your own experiences with your drug test and since it worked for you, you think that makes them facts. I believe you are trying to share your experience with your drugs tests but just because it works for your drug testing doesn't make it a fact. A fact has to be proven to hold true all the time and every situation. You failed to mention until your last post that your drug tests are collected at your house. Is this because your parents are testing you and use a lab to conduct the test? If this is the case this is a very unusual situation. Do you know what a chain of custody form is? Most people who have drug tests go into a collection facility where the sample is collected and it is properly sealed by the collect and donor to ensure chain of custody. Most collection sites do not have the equipment on site. Rather the samples are sent to a central lab either in that city if it is a large city or it is sent to a facility that handles a region. There is usually a pick up late in the afternoon before the collection center closes but the may still take donations that will be sent out the next day. You do not know the transport time of other people's drug tests. You don't even know if at some point your sample is refrigerated until it reaches the end point or if other people's sample may receive the same treatment. Drug tests can be as basic as a 5 panel test with no validity testing other than specific gravity and pH. Drug tests can go up to 10 panels and even more. They can test for muscle relaxers, non narcotic pain medicine, synthetic opiates, athletic performance enhancing drugs, even more drugs than what I just listed and much more thorough validity testing including the creatinine clearance and adulterant and the presence of urea or ammonia to test the freshness of the sample. Just because your method of using old urine works for your test doesn't make it a fact that it will work for others. Again, your situation is very different as it is collected in your house! Urine begins to break down after about 8 hours and is detectable by a lab around the 18 hour mark. Maybe the lab takes into account that your sample is a little older than most since it is collected at your house.

Think about this example. Someone tested in a lab gets a sample from a donor around Tuesday or Wednesday for use on Friday. They go to the collection center after the pickup for Friday but while the center is still open. Maybe they pickup on Saturday, maybe they pick it up on Monday. Because the center assumes the sample is fresh they don't refrigerate it because it can take a little bit of decomp time without it affecting the sample but not this particular sample because it was old to begin with. By the time that sample gets to the lab the next week the sample already has about a week of decomp on it because the person used old urine. The lab might be expecting it to have a little decomp on it but not a week. So when they get the sample and it has grown bacteria in it or the ammonia levels have rised significantly, the lab figures it out and fails the sample. The solution, don't take the chance that this may happen. Don't add decomp time to the decomp time the lab is going add on to the sample through their storage and handling.

I truly understand what you are trying to do but it really is coming out wrong as you are making your sole experience a fact. It is much better to play it safe and avoid the possibility that the sample fails because it is old instead of hoping that the lab doesn't let it sit around too long. How many people here would hate to apply for a new job and go through the somewhat daunting task of keeping the sub at the right temp and sneaking it in only to fail because they didn't store the sample properly before use?

You should have made it clear your drug test is collected at your home and then sent out in the first post instead of saying well if it works for me it will work for you. Not many people give their sample at home, not many at all. If they do get tested by their parents it is usually instant dipstick style testing or they go to the collection center. I would be willing to bet that no one who applies for a job gets their test taken at home. Also, you are not with your sample the whole time so you don't know if it is receiving refrigeration or not. On an employment test the time the sample is collected is recored. But if you are using an old sample you really are not providing the sample at this recored time. It is already aging and it has aged much more than the lab enticipates.