The Butane Taste Lie

[slipknotpsycho]

oh come the hell on, it's just alot easier to say butane taste then explain all that....

slipknotpsycho Reviewed by slipknotpsycho on 12-03-2006. The Butane Taste Lie The Butane Taste Lie Butane is this molecule C4H10 four carbons, ten hydrogens. Let's take a look at the flame produced by burning this molecule. First the hottest part of the flame is the blue at the base (temperature is proportional to the frequency of light). Blue light has a higher frequency (shorter wavelength) than red light. The blue is caused by the burning (oxidizing) of the hydrogen. These guys love to get together and make water (H2O), thatâ??s why we have so Rating: 5

[RedRainDrop]

either way..... inhaling butane will cause cancer.... (no joke, even look at the back of any butane canister)

[Th3 Chr0nic]

i dont think its that important...cause either way im still gonna smoke

[Genuine17]

umm i not sure if that was a complete waste of time or if ill need that information in the future but im leaning to waste of time.

straight up..

[Rock_Sci]

It took a little while, but I put together all the answers.

Unburned butane does have a taste, it is hard to explain it, but I have directly inhaled it straight from the refill can and it had no effect at all.

What are you calling unburned butane?

The only time you have unburned butane is when there is no flame.
The flame can only exist if the butane burns.

What if all the butane doesnâ??t burn? Wonâ??t happen!
Hereâ??s why. Butaneâ??s molecular formula is C4H10.
The first to burn is the hydrogen, the blue flame. If you harvested the flame here you could say unburned butane.
But, you would not have enough energy to do Jack. Most energy comes from the carbon.

At this point, without hydrogen, Butane (C4H10) can NOT exist.
You can read about flames http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mhotflame.html ; I try to keep from tasting my toes.

All that is left is carbon and here are carbonâ??s options:
â?¢ Carbon can burn once, carbon monoxide.
â?¢ Burn a second time, carbon dioxide, or
â?¢ Not burn at all, called carbon black.
So, how do these taste?
Carbon dioxide is tasteless and odorless (http://education.yahoo.com/reference...try/carbondio).
So is carbon monoxide (http://education.yahoo.com/reference...ntry/carbonmo).
Your hemoglobin likes carbon monoxide ~ 210 times more than oxygen.
With your hemoglobin preoccupied, you basically internally suffocate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_monoxide_poisoning

You get plenty of this great stuff every time you burn. This is a fairly unbiased, maybe even pharmaceutical friendly, source of information.
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabi...is_info3.shtml

Rolled cigarettes Marijuana Tobacco
Cigarette Weight (mg) 1115 1110
Carbon Monoxide (mg) 17.6 20.2

Probably the first time tobacco looks worse, that good old objective Media and Government always protecting us from the truth.

Back to butane, I ran my lighter for 20 seconds, weighing it before and after. It was a whopping 20 mg. If it were all carbon monoxide, I am better off than smoking a tobacco cigarette.

So, whatâ??s left? The carbon black.
This looks like the irritation culprit. This is the only statement I could find about carbon black and taste â??If while wearing a filter, cartridge or canister respirator, you
can smell, taste, or otherwise detect Carbon Black, or in the
case of a full facepiece respirator you experience eye
irritation, leave the area immediately.â?�.
It is located here, www.state.nj.us/health/eoh/rtkweb/0342.pdf , kind of a run for your life away from carbon black warning. But, the taste is not described. I would describe it more like an irritation in the back of my throat. My tongue is pretty much down and out of the way, not positioned well for tasting.

oh come the hell on, it's just alot easier to say butane taste then explain all that....

So you are saying you would rather lie about something, because youâ??re lazy?

does unburned butane have a taste? i think thats most what gets tasted, and dont forget the about the impurities in the gas.

Who is putting impurities in the gas?
This MSDS sheet states 97% butane, 1% pentane, and 2% isobutane. http://www.elpaso.com/msds/A0012C-IG Normal Butane.pdf
These are all alkanes which will happily burn into water and carbon dioxide with enough oxygen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkane

either way..... inhaling butane will cause cancer.... (no joke, even look at the back of any butane canister)

I could not find a study anywhere to support this. Could you give me a link so I read up on this?
My refill can says nothing about causing cancer. If this were true, every lighter would need the warning. Else, the manufactures would be exposed to endless lawsuits. I am not seeing that happening.

Remember clean butane is a plus for me. So, I invite your cross examination. Just make sure you put in links as I have, so I can check up on you.

[Th3 Chr0nic]

what are uexpecting here...for everyone to start a "down with butane" rally or march? SOMETHING tastes bad weather its butane or the carbon or whatever it releases. i dont care what it is cause im not gonna change my habits one single bit no matter what knowledge someone spits at me. so i deem this thread....DU DU DUN <------> PoInTlEsS

[Rock_Sci]

No.
Just if you know why, you can fix it.

I will release something soon and I wanted to educate the Cynics.

[Synthesizer Man]

By saying "unburned butane" I meant exactly that!

I meant butane that hadn't been exposed to naked flame. I used that term from the post before mine.

[Captain Hanks]

Well then I'm guessing my lungs wont be screwed from butane lighters I think

[dankus maximus]

dudes, i think what this guys reasearch is saying, is not that a butane lighter produces no taste, but that that specific taste really has northing directly to due with butane, what you taste is a biproduct of the reaction with butane in it.

im pretty sure there isnt unburned butane as he explained in his post(dont remember if he cited that), burning butane is a very efficient reaction.

i dont think hes trying to convert anyone here, i think hes just telling you guys that what youre tasting isnt butane. nothing mroe than a sicence lesson.

also thats a pretty cool looking vaporizer, but youre overlooking the fact that human inhilation, isnt linear. sometimes theyll eb sucking harder than others, your tempurature may be less constant than you think! i use a similar style vaporizer, called the dominizer(google it), that is pretty much like yours, but without the tempurature loop, instead they use the glass rod to distance the green from the flame.

i DO also think, that you should make a version that can slide into a bong, becuase that would make vaporbonging VERY easy!

it looks like a cool gadget and it has potential.