mate let me ask you something, did you fight in the army? did you personally see civillian guts and women raped by soldiers? no i didnt think so, i was in the army, didnt fight in iraq but i was in the area and witnessed a hell of alot, i have seen the good the bush administration has done and is continuing to do, and i have even been thanked by iraqi civilians for everything i was doing (granted i didnt do much, but they saw the uniform and figured i did)
Have I fought in Iraq? No I haven't. Have I personally seen civilian guts and soldiers raping women...yes I have. It's called the News. Conservative estimates of over 100 thousand civilian deaths..mostly women and children. Soldiers are on trial now for raping a 12 year old girl if you want to pick up a paper. Yeah, I'm sure they just want to give us a big group hug.

I work side by side with a kid who's spent the last 2 years over there doing the actual fighting and he has painted a pretty accurate picture for me of whats going on and the Iraqi peoples attitudes. <--they might have been kissing your ass but I guarantee you they don't love you.) That, along with plenty of credible journalism, and the real facts are all there. Maybe you want to believe whatever you were doing over there was worthwhile, but denying the horror and chaos we've inflicted on that country and the peoples real sentiment towards us is living in a fantasy.

Think about it...would you thank the country who dropped a bomb on your house, killed your family, destroyed your neighborhood, and left you a refugee living hand to mouth in poverty?