Ok thats good. The stems are huge about as round as a expo marker or big shapie. How much do plant usally grow in flowering stage just so i can see about how big my plants will get in the end. I am using organic miricle grow. I know mircle grow sucks but that all my local hardware store had at the time. Could it be not enough nutes? I do have foxfarm but i only use like a 6th of what they say to bc i didn't want to over do it.i will post pics soon.