'Nativity' Booted From Ill. Holiday Fair

[Hamlet]

No need to feel sorry for me. I'm not the one living in fear of Muslims and Walmart.

[andruejaysin]

Osama bin walton:thumbsup:

[darkside]

if its not sponsored by the state they should have no problem putting up a nativity. who is sponsoring the fair?

[Bong30]

In america you have the right to be offended.....

[thcbongman]

I can't believe this Merry Christmas/Happy Holiday debate. I saw on the news the other day that 47% get offended by one of these slogans. God, who gives a shit, what's wrong with people?!?!?!

[mrdevious]

Tolerance goes both ways. We wouldn't find it acceptable to supress the expression of another religion's holiday, and it's not accetpable to suppress a christian one. Whether or not atheists (such as myself) and other people celebrate Christmas doens't matter, the holiday is still being borrowed from a christian tradition (and albeit a pagaen one beforehand). Christmas was established in western society as a celebration of the birth of christ whether anybody likes it or not, and nobody has a right to take it away from christians and pretend it's "anual gift-giving day". If atheists like myself wish to celebrate christmas while abdicating the religious context, that's all good. But damned if I'm going to insist that everybody accept my alteration from the original version. And as far as I'm concerned, being offended by the acknowledgement of a christian holiday makes you no less a bigot than being offended Muslim's celebration of Ramadan, a Jew's barmitzfa, or a buddhist meditating in public.

[Bong30]

Tolerance goes both ways. We wouldn't find it acceptable to supress the expression of another religion's holiday, and it's not accetpable to suppress a christian one. Whether or not atheists (such as myself) and other people celebrate Christmas doens't matter, the holiday is still being borrowed from a christian tradition (and albeit a pagaen one beforehand). Christmas was established in western society as a celebration of the birth of christ whether anybody likes it or not, and nobody has a right to take it away from christians and pretend it's "anual gift-giving day". If atheists like myself wish to celebrate christmas while abdicating the religious context, that's all good. But damned if I'm going to insist that everybody accept my alteration from the original version. And as far as I'm concerned, being offended by the acknowledgement of a christian holiday makes you no less a bigot than being offended Muslim's celebration of Ramadan, a Jew's barmitzfa, or a buddhist meditating in public.

Thank you...Mrd... right on point.

In America you have the right to be offended.


I have little kids...this is what makes life worth living.


Hey MrD....I know the meaning of life. To have kids and grow up again through there eyes.......

So for these precious few years while they believe in Santa... It is like heaven on earth......and NO ONE should be able to take that from me.

This year...they have "made" me and Mommy presants, and "wrapped" them and put them under the tree..... allready learning it is better to GIVE, than receive...cool.

[Fengzi]

Tolerance goes both ways. We wouldn't find it acceptable to supress the expression of another religion's holiday, and it's not accetpable to suppress a christian one. Whether or not atheists (such as myself) and other people celebrate Christmas doens't matter, the holiday is still being borrowed from a christian tradition (and albeit a pagaen one beforehand). Christmas was established in western society as a celebration of the birth of christ whether anybody likes it or not, and nobody has a right to take it away from christians and pretend it's "anual gift-giving day". If atheists like myself wish to celebrate christmas while abdicating the religious context, that's all good. But damned if I'm going to insist that everybody accept my alteration from the original version. And as far as I'm concerned, being offended by the acknowledgement of a christian holiday makes you no less a bigot than being offended Muslim's celebration of Ramadan, a Jew's barmitzfa, or a buddhist meditating in public.

Well said Mr. D. I'm an aetheist(although Breuk would disagree) and I celebrate Christmas. To me Christmas is very meaningful even without the religious context. To me it's a celebration of family, love, and happiness. As far as the whole birth of Christ thing goes, to me it's just a story that goes along with Christmas. Just like frosty the snowman, the grinch, etc. Regarding Bruek's statement that its "an affront to rationality", what about The Lord of The Rings, Moby Dick, or any other work of fiction. They are just as unrational. Are they offensive too? If not, why? Seriously,why can't we all just live and let live and stop worrying about a harmless nativity scene?

[Polymirize]

The ACLU is one of the biggest problems in our country.....they are a good idea gone bad.

Not to only implicate you Bong, because Torog posted a pic as well, but I was hoping you could explain to me the role of the ACLU in this story, because I looked over it several times and didn't find anything mentioning them.

Doesn't seem like the ACLU got involved at all. So I can only assume you have more information you can reference to show that you're not just needlessly flogging scapegoats, and that you actually have a legitimate point... right?

[Torog]

Not to only implicate you Bong, because Torog posted a pic as well, but I was hoping you could explain to me the role of the ACLU in this story, because I looked over it several times and didn't find anything mentioning them.

Doesn't seem like the ACLU got involved at all. So I can only assume you have more information you can reference to show that you're not just needlessly flogging scapegoats, and that you actually have a legitimate point... right?

Howdy Polymerize,

You are astute to point out that the ACLU wasn't mentioned,I attacked them because they have been eager to defend those who desire to ban Christian expression,while allowing other religions,free rein. I will post any articles about the ACLU,attacking Christmas,if I run across them,so I can demonstrate to you,why we are bashing them.

Have a good one ....