lip, i'm sitting here thinking and i just want to say that i don't mean to seem rude or disrespect you. it just initially seemed to me that you took what i posted out of context just to make me sound wrong or ignorant. after more consideration i don't think that was the case. when i say males flower like females all i mean is that once you switch from 24/0 or 18/6 to 12/12 they will switch from vegitative growth to flowering. to me that is the same, the product of that flowering is what is different. we seem to be saying the same thing. no hard feelings.......i hope.