Police want power to crack down on offensive demo chants and slogans

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[align=left]Police want power to crack down on offensive demo chants and slogans
· Present curbs are too light, Met chief to tell Goldsmith
· Rights groups say officers would be 'censors in chief' [/align]
London Guardian | November 27, 2006
Vikram Dodd
Police are to demand new powers to arrest protesters for causing offence through the words they chant and the slogans on their placards and even headbands.
The country's biggest force, the Metropolitan police, is to lobby the attorney general, Lord Goldsmith, because officers believe that large sections of the population have become increasingly politicised, and there is a growing sense that the current restrictions on demonstrations are too light.
Trouble at recent protests involving Islamic extremists has galvanised the Met's assistant commissioner, Tarique Ghaffur, into planning a crackdown. His proposals are due to be sent to Lord Goldsmith, who is reviewing how effective the current laws are in tackling extremists.
The police want powers to proscribe protest chants and slogans on placards, banners and headbands. Human rights experts say that such powers could also be used against protesters such as animal rights and anti-globalisation activists. The civil rights group Liberty said the powers would make the police "censors in chief".
Mr Ghaffur has previously advocated banning flag burning. But this document would take the police a lot further. Mr Ghaffur says there is a "growing national and international perception" that the police have been too soft on extremist protesters, which has led to rising anger across the country. "The result has been to create an imbalance in public perception that is manifesting itself in passionate responses from elements of the community not traditionally given to publicly protesting. What we are seeing in effect is a rise in the politicisation of middle England and the emergence of a significant challenge for capital city policing."
As well as the absence of a law banning the burning of a flag, there is no law banning the burning of a religious text.
The police want powers to tackle a "grey area" in the array of public order laws. At present, causing offence by itself is not a criminal offence.
"There must be a clear message that we will not allow any extremist group to display banners or make public statements that clearly cause offence within the existing law," the document says.
The document continues: "Is the sand shifting in our collective viewpoint around what constitutes 'causing offence'? Equally, we need to have a clearer determination of current community perceptions around what 'public offence' actually means. We also need to think more laterally around how we police public demonstrations where 'offence' could be caused, while still respecting the British position around freedom of speech."
The document, entitled "The widening agenda of public demonstrations and radicalisation", says Islamic extremists have learned how to cause offence without breaking the law. It also reveals that the government has yet to implement the bill outlawing religious hatred which received royal assent in February. It says that the law may prove useless against extremists: "Virtually all activity by protesters could constitute insulting or abusive language, behaviour or banners towards particular religions, but would fall outside the remit of inciting religious hatred."
The director of Liberty, Shami Chakrabarti, said: "[The proposal] misunderstands the nature of law and free expression in a democracy and casts the police as censors in chief. It aims to protect people from 'offence' rather than harm, slates the CPS and muses wildly on 'public perceptions'."
After protests against the Danish cartoons in London, organised by a radical Muslim group, Scotland Yard received 100 complaints demanding action against the protesters.
A solicitor who has defended protesters, Mike Schwarz, said: "Causing offence, if there is no other ingredient, is not against the law." He said such proposed powers would clash with article 10 of the European convention on human rights which protects freedom of expression.

pisshead Reviewed by pisshead on 11-27-2006. Police want power to crack down on offensive demo chants and slogans this will show those freedom hating evil muslim plane enthusiasts! Police want power to crack down on offensive demo chants and slogans · Present curbs are too light, Met chief to tell Goldsmith · Rights groups say officers would be 'censors in chief' London Guardian | November 27, 2006 Vikram Dodd Police are to demand new powers to arrest protesters for causing offence through the words they chant and the slogans on their placards and even headbands. The country's biggest Rating: 5

[Bong30]

Shit im Glad we left London a long time ago....shweeeweeeww that was close.




Pissy, with rights come responsability.......

[B.Basher]

Shit im Glad we left London a long time ago....shweeeweeeww that was close.

So whats your view on the matter exactly?

[Bong30]

Im saying the laws in london and the Laws In Colorado are different.

It seams to me that we had this thing called a revolutionary war.


WE did it our way..... sing it though....Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmk


Seams ok to me....

"There must be a clear message that we will not allow any extremist group to display banners or make public statements that clearly cause offence within the existing law," the document says.

you are displaying a banner with Gdub with a target on his head.. YOU SHOULD BE BOUNCED....

you have a banner with a pot leaf.....NOt...come on even you can see the diff. right?


exactly what is your view.....?

Here is the law

Incitement
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Criminal law in English law
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In English criminal law, incitement is an anticipatory common law offence and is the act of persuading, encouraging, instigating, pressuring, or threatening so as to cause another to commit a crime.

Im sure here in the states, if you were in yelling distance of the Pres, and shout death threats.... you got problems....HUH?

Freedoms are not absolute.......I named one right there ^^^^^^

Can you name one? yelling fire in a movie theater #2

any thoughts?

[andruejaysin]

Just a tiny difference between threats and offending someone, don't ya think? No, it would seem not.

[KiEfBoyjBm]

Can't we all just get along...

[B.Basher]

Im saying the laws in london and the Laws In Colorado are different.

It seams to me that we had this thing called a revolutionary war.


WE did it our way..... sing it though....Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmk


Seams ok to me....

"There must be a clear message that we will not allow any extremist group to display banners or make public statements that clearly cause offence within the existing law," the document says.

you are displaying a banner with Gdub with a target on his head.. YOU SHOULD BE BOUNCED....

any thoughts?

Way to contradict yourself. People get offended by marijuana. I lit a herbal cigarette in a pub the other day and nearly got bounced.

The difference is protest rally's only offend intolerant people like yourself. I'm not offended by your views but I have been offended by your insulting behaviour. I see where your coming from, i'm not going to come down on your for your right to express yourself but it seems the government are. There's a difference between an anti-British muslim rally and a protest for animal rights, you don't have to be a genius to see it. This is simply a way of suppressing any kind of protest. Silence the people. If you felt the need to protest against something you felt strongly about in a peaceful manner (pot legalisation for example) but found you weren't allowed because some people find it offensive, i'd expect you'd be a little pissed off.

Nah, you'd probably shrivel up and keep quiet if it was a government action...

[Bong30]

Way to contradict yourself. People get offended by marijuana. I lit a herbal cigarette in a pub the other day and nearly got bounced.

If you can tsee the diff between threating the pres and a pot leaf on a poster you are dumb.

The difference is protest rally's only offend intolerant people like yourself. I'm not offended by your views but I have been offended by your insulting behaviour.
Good
I see where your coming from, i'm not going to come down on your for your right to express yourself but it seems the government are. There's a difference between an anti-British muslim rally and a protest for animal rights, you don't have to be a genius to see it.

You dont have to be a gunius to see that London and Paris are going to Muslim states in 1 generation.....I would protest too.

This is simply a way of suppressing any kind of protest. Silence the people. If you felt the need to protest against something you felt strongly about in a peaceful manner (pot legalisation for example) but found you weren't allowed because some people find it offensive, i'd expect you'd be a little pissed off.

Here in america Protest all you want..i dont give a fuck about London.

Nah, you'd probably shrivel up and keep quiet if it was a government action...

Nope the only thing that has shrivled, is your Balls

Want more smart guy?


what about muslims teaching in the Madrasass that jews and christaians are apes and pigs... you missed that

why undebatable? get a clue....

[B.Basher]

I think your misunderstanding me. It seems to me you can see the danger at hand but refuse to care simply because it's happening in my country and not yours. Then again, that's pretty much the American way I guess.

My point is soon enough they'll ban any kind of protest simply because all this unwillingness to come down on religious nutters is condemning everyone else that choose to protest about real, important matters.

You dont have to be a gunius to see that London and Paris are going to Muslim states in 1 generation.....I would protest too.

But you'd be arrested for causing offence to muslims. See what I mean?

Here in america Protest all you want..i dont give a fuck about London.

If that's the case, why do you give a fuck at all? Don't rely on that arrogant nationalist pride to make you feel warm inside, have a toke instead. imp:

Nope the only thing that has shrivled, is your Balls

Well my room is pretty cold.

Have a good one manapepig.

[Marlboroman]

I think your misunderstanding me. It seems to me you can see the danger at hand but refuse to care simply because it's happening in my country and not yours. Then again, that's pretty much the American way I guess.

My point is soon enough they'll ban any kind of protest simply because all this unwillingness to come down on religious nutters is condemning everyone else that choose to protest about real, important matters.

You dont have to be a gunius to see that London and Paris are going to Muslim states in 1 generation.....I would protest too.

But you'd be arrested for causing offence to muslims. See what I mean?

Here in america Protest all you want..i dont give a fuck about London.

If that's the case, why do you give a fuck at all? Don't rely on that arrogant nationalist pride to make you feel warm inside, have a toke instead. imp:

Nope the only thing that has shrivled, is your Balls

Well my room is pretty cold.

Have a good one manapepig.

LOL