Another generation in demise.

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The parents are at work trying to pay the bills and taxes the government is laying on more thickly every year. Which is why kids arent getting the parenting they need. The government is a giant paradox.

I only listed some causes.

That's one cause, and not a very good one. Media may step out of line sometimes, but the parents should at least know what it going in their kid's head. They should instill their child with morals and values so that they are unaffected by the things they see on the television. The problem is, the kids are being raised by the television, not their parents. Maybe if parents had better relationships with their children their children wouldn't have to listen to the television.

[wayoftheleaf]

maybe if the government wouldn't prohibit parents from doing what they need to do. They loosen the grip on the media while tightening it on parents.

[make it legal]

I strongly believe in freedom of speach, and I don't think it is just media that is turning kids that way. I mean, they also see how older people they know are acting, but just imitate it poorly. But who knows, I may just be talking out of my ass.

[slipknotpsycho]

what do you mean by comments like "maybe if the government wouldn't prohibit parents from doing what they need to do." if what i'm about to say is incorrect ignore this entirely.... cuz i can only assume

but do you honestly think hitting a child is going to keep them from doing wrong? i wasn't spanked or hit growing up, my grandma didn't believe in it... i grew up to be a pretty respectable person, about the only thing i actually constantly do that's 'wrong' is smoke weed... i had friends who grew up getting hit/spanked/beat by their parents... lets just say none of them turned out to well..

like i said, if that's not what you're getting at then ignore this post, but that's the only thing i can think that the goverment prohibits the parent from doing to their kid.

[ronjohn420]

but SHOULDN'T it be?

The way I see it, you either have a culture based on sex and drugs or one that will imprison you for looking at pornography. Either it's all sacred or nothing is. I, for one, believe that anyone should have the ability to speak their mind, because why shouldn't they? Just because it offends you doesn't mean it shouldn't be allowed, and I personally believe that's becoming what's wrong with society today. If it offends you, turn it off. Don't listen to it, and don't pay attention to it. At 15, you should have a lot more to think about than societal standards. At 30, you should have a lot more to think about than societal standards.

I think you're placing way too much blame in the wrong place. The radio makes its money by ENTERTAINING society. They play what PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR, because that's what makes them the most money. Mainstream artists make songs that people want to hear, because that's what will make THEM the most money. What about the parents, anyways? Where are they when 12 year-old jessica is spending the night at her boyfriend's house?

3 minutes of sexual discussion can't lead a child astray unless there's some parental issues at the house.

I'm not in any way, shape, or form trying to attack you, so please don't take it that way. I know a lot of times you can't hear tone of voice in posts, but I'm your friend. Trust me.:dance:

na man i think whyoftheleaf is thinking right, people should think about this kind of stuff and open their mind to the truth..... compared to the early 90's (which i remember clearly) everythings changed, because of the views the media puts out all the "family values" have changed for the worse and now you have these 15 yr old boys who think theyre "gangsta" and these little girls dressing like whores.....

do you remember the 90's (and i dont mean if you were born in 1992) im talking about if you were walking the streets, drinkin brew and listening to the "spin doctors" or "fun factory" on your gpx cassette walkman...... see i remember those days before computers were big (when you booted windows off a floppy and used command prompts)......

people used to act so different, we used to play b-ball on the corner and people werent nothing like today, girls used to wear shorts with those spandex pant things under them (when that was "in")
and people used to race home to see "saved by the bell" everyday

those were the days.........

to me: never to be forgotten

later,
Ronjohn

[wayoftheleaf]

I was whipped when i was little, not very often but occassionly. I think id have turned out better if i had been whipped more as a child.

But anyway. The government constantly gets between disputes that should be between the family. The government is constantly increasing taxes which takes time away from parent children activities to being put at working longer hours. It is nearly impossible for a single parent to make ends meat these days.

And im not just going after the media, or the government. But also the way people project themselves. there were times when you did not act a certain away around people. you respected their age or rank.
Im not saying this is the perfect way, but people had respect for others, and basic etiquette.

[JohnGalt]

Personally, I'm against ALL censorship. HOWEVER, if privatly owned radio staions decide that they don't want to broadcast cerain types of music, then more power to them.

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na man i think whyoftheleaf is thinking right, people should think about this kind of stuff and open their mind to the truth..... compared to the early 90's (which i remember clearly) everythings changed, because of the views the media puts out all the "family values" have changed for the worse and now you have these 15 yr old boys who think theyre "gangsta" and these little girls dressing like whores.....

do you remember the 90's (and i dont mean if you were born in 1992) im talking about if you were walking the streets, drinkin brew and listening to the "spin doctors" or "fun factory" on your gpx cassette walkman...... see i remember those days before computers were big (when you booted windows off a floppy and used command prompts)......

people used to act so different, we used to play b-ball on the corner and people werent nothing like today, girls used to wear shorts with those spandex pant things under them (when that was "in")
and people used to race home to see "saved by the bell" everyday

those were the days.........

to me: never to be forgotten

later,
Ronjohn

And yet "baby got back" didn't make me a womanizer. I'm not a product of my media, I'm a product of good parenting. That was my only point.

C:/loadgame
C:/run.game
C:/makethegamerun
C:/computer's broken

Took me til highschool to figure out what A:/ was
Oh, and I hated saved by the bell. I had a big problem with that show and everything it had to offer.


Way of the leaf, I think you have a very misguided view into what it's like actually being a parent these days. I don't think every parent is fighting to make ends meet. I know that it's not the government's fault. Come on man, if you're just going to blame the government for bad parenting, then why not blame the government for the things you don't like in media, too?

[wayoftheleaf]

Of course not all(or even most) parents are fighting for ends meet. but a good amount of them are. And actually if youve bothered to read the other posts ive made in this thread, I DO blame the government for whats in the media. My grandmother and grandfather have worked until 5 pm and 11 pm, respectfully, monday through friday for the past 23 and 17 years. That leaves exactly two hours where her children were not cared for once they reached an age of 12 or so. Before that, teenagers watched them. When a child is left to his or her own, the child will most likely do what he or she wants to do. There is an age where you realize that you should obey what your parents say. But there is also a mental maturity you must grow into before you can fully understand what you need to do. Most tweens DO NOT have either of these. When they are left alone they will listen to it, when they have a baby sitter they will listen to it.

At school, fifth graders see sixth graders doing it, so they do it to act more mature. Fourth graders see the fifth graders doing it, so they do it to act more mature, ect. This spirals down till all the grades are doing something. Like i said in a previous post, there was a time when you simply did not act a way around people younger or older. You respected other people according to their age. Im not saying to respecting someone solely for their age, but it is a good starting point. Parents didn't allow their children to act or dress a certain way, not only because they wanted to bring their children up right, but because they had respect for themselves, and their family. The government didn't try and jump into every other families business. Whether that be through social services(which in my honest oppinion is a complete joke, especially the way they take their tips), through increased taxes or a decrease in health benifits or anything like that.

Anyway I have to get ready for school.

~Justin

[ronjohn420]

way of the leaf.......FOR THE WIN!!!