hi mole 2K4. Sorry about that first response. I went camping May 1st 2005 because I was tired of carrying around 50 extra pounds. By July I got rid of all of it plus. I drank water every day, I got 24/7 fresh air and there was always something to walk and walk and walk to and it was very much like totally free. No walls, no tv, no toilet...but heck it worked! Camping primative style is best. We huminz tend to get spoiled easy. Hope you had success in the weight loss endeavor. I've been back indoors since December of 2005 and it has slowly been returning...you know, that three letter f word. So, I've been using Creatine for muscle food, oatmeal every morning, fix it up with trail mix and other fun nibbles and above all, drink water. Sometimes plain water gets boring, so beef it up with nutritional dry juice. I found a dry nutritional juice and my finger nails grew like a vampire. I was in a sand storm in my car and didn't break one nail.