Evidence: The Case For NASA UFO's - Part 1 -

[harris7]

well i am no expert. and I can see that either view point could create a article or video proving or disproving, simply by leaving out important info. So i'm not going to agree with you, or disagree because i havent done my homework.


Hmm, seeing as wikipedia agrees with you. I shall agree with you.
I do think they are very cool to look at though

[Hamlet]

I

do think they are very cool to look at though

...and i will agree with you on that. I think they're amazing...truely fine art

[ate]

I"m spouting? No, I'm pointing out real facts about the con job opportunists or the mentally unbalanced are trying to pass off onto the gullible.

Yes, I'm aware of the facts you've pointed out but they're irrelevant to the discussion of the videos, which this thread is supposed to be about, which is about applying logic to a certain piece of evidence. You're speculating about past events and experiences.

And since this is a public forum will I continue to do it anytime I feel the urge.

Sure.

The rel spouting comes from those who make wild-ass claims without anything even halfway credible to back it up.

This is exactly what you've done.

We've been con'ed by preachers and snake oil salesmen long enough.

You have!

You're mixing your personal experience with both others and the present situation.

A lot of warped minds have caused enormous damage preaching just this kind of pseudo-science and mysticism-from Heaven's Gate, to David Koresh to Charles Manson.

Yes, so stop preaching!

I'm always going to call the foul when I see it.

Then abide by it!

[Hamlet]

Pretty vague rebuttals there ate. Any logical arguements and assertions?....but if you want to stick strickly to the video we can talk about that.

What are we watching? A top scientist from NASA, or MIT, or Cornell talking physics and investigating the anomilies? No, we're watching a self-proclaimed 'UFO Investigator' doing some really bad science, desperately trying to twist every flicker in some bad video into Alien intelligence from another planet. It's as shoddy as people claiming light flares on a camera lens are actually pictures of ghosts.

Why don't you see someone really prominent up there making the case for UFOs? Because they know its hogwash. Any time you do see someone with some real credentials talking about such things they're explaining that what you're actually seeing is ice coming off the shuttle, or a satellite orbiting, or a comet, or lightning on the earth. Of course the UFO cults will claim it's all
Government conspiracy to cover it up and only the brave few with no real education and off their meds dare expose the truth.

Even SETI, who are legitimate scientists trying to investigate such things, have found nothing yet. Why aren't they backing up this UFO researchers claims? Because a real investigation, time and time again, exposes less than glamorous facts.

Interesting how they included quotes from gnostic gospels. What does that have to do with the science? Nothing, but it does give you a strong clue where they're coming from. UFO cults who want to blend pseudo-science with religion to support foolish beliefs. Here's a little info from Wikipedia on UFO cults...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_cult

[ate]

Pretty vague rebuttals there ate.

Ok???

Any logical arguements and assertions?

From what I have seen from you, more than you can handle/have thought of as of now!

....but if you want to stick strickly to the video we can talk about that.

You haven't done this!

What are we watching?

The video!

It's as shoddy as people claiming light flares on a camera lens are actually pictures of ghosts.

Your opinion doesn't fight the logic! Sorry!

Why don't you see someone really prominent up there making the case for UFOs?

Because they are afraid, look into the matter and you'll realize this!

Because they know its hogwash.

I didn't know, thanks for notifying!

Any time you do see someone with some real credentials talking about such things they're explaining that what you're actually seeing is ice coming off the shuttle, or a satellite orbiting, or a comet, or lightning on the earth.

Yes, there is a reason for this, but you have not grasped it!

It seems all the shiny lights and fancy outfits that these people wear, have convinced you that they are more than humans!

Of course the UFO cults will claim it's all
Government conspiracy to cover it up and only the brave few with no real education and off their meds dare expose the truth.

I don't believe you know everyone, but for those that you are speaking on directly, I hope you know what you're talking about!

Even SETI, who are legitimate scientists trying to investigate such things, have found nothing yet.

What are they looking for?

Why aren't they backing up this UFO researchers claims?

I can not answer that question! If I thought I knew the answers to all these questions, I would only be considered ignorant and arrogant!

Because a real investigation, time and time again, exposes less than glamorous facts.

This has been proven otherwise, by the many many real investigations does, in all fields of "paranormal", which undoubtedly "changes lives" and opens people up to a broader spectrum of our reality!

You are confusing your experience, (a very small one), with the larger one of Everybodies! This is a grave mistake when it comes to remaining logical!

Interesting how they included quotes from gnostic gospels.

Sure, interesting indeed!

What does that have to do with the science? Nothing.

Thanks, I'll remember this!

but it does give you a strong clue where they're coming from.

Yes, it seems they are "well-read", people!

UFO cults who want to blend pseudo-science with religion to support foolish beliefs.

Not so much as you say it is, although maybe you've experience such a "cult", which is why I refered to you as the one with the "cult knowledge".

But this thread isn't about that, so until then, please that else where thank you!

[Hamlet]

Any logical arguements and assertions?

From what I have seen from you, more than you can handle/have thought of as of now!

Huh? If you're going to present a logical argument you'll have to write a coherent sentence and show us some logic.

This is exactly what you've done.

Exactly what I've done? My assertions are backed up by every leading scientist, University, Government, and credible journalistic source on the planet. Verses a large majority of the UFO proponents spending their days on thorazine making wallets and baskets.

Ever see any of this malarchy in Science Digest or any of the other leading academic journals? Nooo...you would have to check out a copy of Fate Magazine, or the National Inquirer to get the scoop on these hot revelations. (or some homemade video on Youtube.)

I don't believe you know everyone, but for those that you are speaking on directly, I hope you know what you're talking about!

Huh? Another vague sentence I'm trying to interpret, but yes, I do know what I'm talking about. I've been around many people suffering from paranoid psychosis and they all babble the same things about Government conspiracies, Aliens and UFOs, and sooner or later when they're hit rock bottom, they realize that they are indeed Jesus Christ. You'll see this same pattern over and over again.

What are they looking for?

Why such vague and elusive questions and statements if you have a logical argument as to why all this UFO weirdness is valid? What are they looking for? -- It's S.E.T.I....Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence. They're looking for the same thing this goober on the film is looking for, but since they're credible scientists, they won't make any unsubstanciated claims. They will be the first to admit they don't have one shred of even halfway interesting evidence. And if they did have something extraordinary the first thing they would do is have their data checked, and rechecked by noted collegues for any errors or misinterpretations before proposing even a theory or conjecture.

This has been proven otherwise, by the many many real investigations does, in all fields of "paranormal", which undoubtedly "changes lives" and opens people up to a broader spectrum of our reality!

You are confusing your experience, (a very small one), with the larger one of Everybodies! This is a grave mistake when it comes to remaining logical!

I beg your pardon but this has not been proven otherwise. The Amazing Rhandi has a million dollar reward for anyone who can come foreward and 'prove' any paranormal power. No one has been able to claim that reward yet.

Remaining logical means examining credible evidence and research and drawing the most logical conclusions from that. Now, is this gentleman credible? All we know about him is he calls himself a UFO researcher. Does he have a degree in astrophysics? Is he the head of NASA? Do you know anything about him that would give his conjectures any validity whatsoever? No credible researcher in the world would come out and say that a squiggly light across a photograph is indisputable proof on Extraterrestrial Intelligence because they know it would be irresponsible at best, and dishonest at it's worst.

Oh, he wrote an E-mail to someone supposedly of note, and the source was nice enough to respond. Of course the subject of UFOs was never brought up in the initial Email, or the Sources response, obviously because the credible source would either have set him straight on his claims, or would not have bothered to reply at all.

I'll skip a few replies because they're strained so hard to be ambiguous (I suppose to sound guru-eque) that they make very little sense at all.

But this thread isn't about that, so until then, please that else where thank you!

This thread is all about that.... and you, me and anyone reading this thread knows it. It's not any different than evangelicals trying to pass off creationism as science, and pretending the church isn't behind it. Only this gets even flakier if that's possible. So, again, since this is a public forum I'll keep it right here where it belongs.

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My assertions are backed up by every leading scientist, University, Government, and credible journalistic source on the planet.

This does not make you right!

Verses a large majority of the UFO proponents spending their days on thorazine making wallets and baskets.

This is a lie, because you fear that you will be wrong!

Ever see any of this malarchy in Science Digest or any of the other leading academic journals?

That's like asking if you'll ever see a drumset in a magazine that sells ice-cream, very illogical!

Nooo...you would have to check out a copy of Fate Magazine, or the National Inquirer to get the scoop on these hot revelations. (or some homemade video on Youtube.)

Or how about NASA's archives, or the CIA's investigations!

Sounds much more credible than your "scientist friends"!

I've been around many people suffering from paranoid psychosis and they all babble the same things about Government conspiracies, Aliens and UFOs, and sooner or later when they're hit rock bottom, they realize that they are indeed Jesus Christ.

You have interesting relationships!

You'll see this same pattern over and over again.

You mean "I have seen" this same pattern over and over again!

They're looking for the same thing this goober on the film is looking for, but since they're credible scientists.

They are looking for different "evidences" here!

They won't make any unsubstanciated claims.

Yet, they'll tell you everything is ok, and that there's no reason to think on your own, and that they are the deciding source of all human knowledge.

An "age old" joke, that people actually began to believe!

And if they did have something extraordinary the first thing they would do is have their data checked, and rechecked by noted collegues for any errors or misinterpretations before proposing even a theory or conjecture.

Yes! In this process, much successful evidence discoveries, goes un presented!

The Amazing Rhandi has a million dollar reward for anyone who can come foreward and 'prove' any paranormal power.

Maybe you wish to play with him?

No one has been able to claim that reward yet.

Maybe they choose their playmates differently than you???

Remaining logical means examining credible evidence and research and drawing the most logical conclusions from that.

Or experiencing the "phenomenon" yourself!

Now, is this gentleman credible?

Why are you looking at the gentleman, look at his logic!

Does he have a degree in astrophysics? Is he the head of NASA?

Yes you're right, for if his name was NASA, he'd surely have all the answers!

Not true! Don't be deceived!

Do you know anything about him that would give his conjectures any validity whatsoever?

I know his logic! As well as others!

No credible researcher in the world would come out and say that a squiggly light across a photograph is indisputable proof on Extraterrestrial Intelligence because they know it would be irresponsible at best, and dishonest at it's worst.

This is your opinion, and just look at the trail you've made above, it's based on illogic and emotional hatred to those who do not agree with you!

Even down to the point that if they do not wear a certain name tag, or work at a certain place, that you will not consider them "worthy".

You have shown yourself to have quite the "ego-based" disposition!

Thanks for allowing me to observe this!

This thread is all about that.... and you, me and anyone reading this thread knows it. It's not any different than evangelicals trying to pass off creationism as science, and pretending the church isn't behind it. Only this gets even flakier if that's possible. So, again, since this is a public forum I'll keep it right here where it belongs.

[Euphoric]

space amoebas, whoa

[Euphoric]

space amoebas, whoa

that would mean like
there could be a whole ecosystem..

[Hamlet]

Sorry ate, flippant snipes don't constitute rational arguments.

No one would love to see real evidence of something extraordinary more than me, but bullshit claims don't cut it. You're close on the emotional hatred remark though, but not for people who don't agree with me. If someone doesn't agree with me and can prove himself correct, I have no problem changing my opinion and agreeing with him. It's fakers, con-men and bullshit artists who bring out the disgust in me. I hold back any emotional distain for the mentally ill as I realize they are not well.