Evidence: The Case For NASA UFO's - Part 1 -

[ate]

I mean we are only humans and just looking at a picture of Earth...looking at all that endless blackness it just tells you that we are not alone.

It's the equivalent of being in a single secluded part of the ocean and believing that you are the only fish.

We have many mysteries, no one that's reading this knows what death is like because we've never died.

You would think it's some mystical truth or secret. But if it's such a mundane part of life that absolutely everything LIVING must DIE, then don't you think there would at least be some clues? I mean. It IS the other HALF if not MORE of our entire existence. Don't you think that means something other than, "I don't know?", of you course you know, you just have to think about it correctly.

Have you ever met an "alien"?

You should be asking "Are you an alien" as well, because there are both kinds of beings capable of responding.

No, so how can you say they don't exist.

This is another backwards way of thinking. NOTE: ME too! All humans think this way, it is our desire, our nature, our knowledge of conscious life. But there's more.

The whole ability to comprehend what exists or not, stems from the ability to comprehend the self's existence. We jumped, and so we have skewed knowledge. Because half of the world doesn't even believe we exist, as self-aware beings, just illusory lumps of cells with electricity running through it.

From this fundamental point of awareness, that occurred long long ago, we have not understand nature correctly. No wonder thousands of years later, our terra is failing, society is falling apart, and we are ultimately the cause of it all.

When he explains light years and how long it'd take us to get to some other areas out there that really shows how disconnected we really are with the rest of the many places out there.

You should think higher.

If we are disconnect. Then it is just to the type of beings that rely on space travel, and physical existence like us...animals. Get it? Lower beings, that's what this level is like, distance, need for energy, limited in almost every physical way.

Just that simply means we are limited from contacting other beings like us.

Yet. If the scale of evolution, the scale of "beingness" continues forever, than there are advanced beings around us at all times. And more likely, their are advanced beings that allowed us to take place in an evolution experience/experiment on earth, by providing us with the necessary possibilities.

Think, that lower part of the scale that you're focusing on, saying that we are disconnected from all other things, it relates to the physical. Now think, the physical is just one small portion of the universe, think of the energies the electricity, nuclear strong force, atomic energy, atoms, quantum observations, memory, awareness, the subconscious/conscious relativity, perceptions all these non-physical constitutions of reality fill our life with a human and universal life-like quality. This is not physical. Not at all.

Just as this physical nature has it's inhabitants, those other fields of particles, or waves (energies) has it's own inhabitants. So the aliens, in those distant places that we may be looking for, are likely no farther than the first quantum leap in front of our faces. The atoms we exist of are likely our link to these beings, and all beings, seeing as they connect to create the entire universe.

If we are connected on a fundamental level, then we are not far, distance means nothing.

The real evidence for UFOs is slim to none.

There is much evidence out there, you just have to find it.

There's a guy who's hobby is making crop circles. He has to document his plans with drawings, dated,registered letters, etc..ahead of time for absolute proof that he was the one who created the crop circle, and still the UFO nuts are out there claiming aliens did it and calling him a lier.

That's because he did not make the first one, what else do you expect from a liar? He didn't make crop circles, he just picked it up from the originals, that he first began seeing.

The sad part is, if there really was any credible evidence for such phenomena, no one credible would touch it because all the kooks have the subject so throughly buried in 'fringe' bullshit.

Doesn't make a difference to the reality of the events taking place.

[Hamlet]

That's because he did not make the first one, what else do you expect from a liar? He didn't make crop circles, he just picked it up from the originals, that he first began seeing.

No, he didn't make the first one. But he's really good at it and makes some extraordinary designs.

Two old farts from England made the first one. They just made a plan circle to make it look like a UFO landed there as a prank. Carl Sagan in Cosmos goes over it pretty thoroughly if you're interested in the real truth about crop circles.....not as fun and mystical as aliens and interdimensional beings I know. But at least it's the truth and in a world full of bullshit I'll take some truth like a breathe of fresh air any day.

Crop Circles are cool though. I think they hit an archetypical nerve in some way. Men making huge designs in the Earth facing Heaven, saying 'hey goddammit! We're down here!" No reply of course (not to anyone who has all their marbles anyway), but ya gotta love the spirit behind it.

[VOYAGER]

Dude that was pretty interesting, putting ufos aside and looking at it as far as physics go, it all makes sense. The only question i had is when the astronauts are working in space and see the ufo it contradicts the whole not being able to see them because they exist in a wave form invisibe to the human eye... unless they became visible when the craft slowed is energy down enough for it to fall within visibe waves. Reguardless i paid perfect attention to the show and the guy was on point in showing how the only answer left would be a ufo.

[ate]

Thank you for setting an example. I'm not sure how to answer your question, I know that the cameras used to film most of the "ufos" were filming in the ultraviolet and higher spectrum. I don't know whether the same craft were seen by humans, or whether that craft was traveling at a different rate is proportional to it's entire wavelength or at least the exterior. I believe they work by emitting a sort of shell around the body of the craft, much like a human does naturally to contain themselves to the body. But it also penetrates into the entire craft.

No, he didn't make the first one. But he's really good at it and makes some extraordinary designs.

Ok.

Two old farts from England made the first one. They just made a plan circle to make it look like a UFO landed there as a prank.

The first one is from longer ago than you think.

Carl Sagan in Cosmos goes over it pretty thoroughly if you're interested in the real truth about crop circles.....

not as fun and mystical as aliens and interdimensional beings I know.

If a snail was self-aware it would call us mystic aliens and inter-dimensional beings, the fact that it's overwhelming is not what create myth, our race does.

But at least it's the truth and in a world full of bullshit I'll take some truth like a breathe of fresh air any day.

The world is full of neither, and it has nothing to do with the present moment. It is limited and instinctual to cling to information from a higher source like that, you must find the truth on your own, from your own self, that's the only way you can get it from the inside not the outside seeing as the outside can be anything you want to imagine it, many people are living in their own reality disconnected from anyone elses.

Crop Circles are cool though.

Ok.

I think they hit an archetypical nerve in some way.

No such thing.

Men making huge designs in the Earth facing Heaven, saying 'hey goddammit! We're down here!"

Actually it's men tricking men into believing that the replies of those beings are actually just another message from them.

No reply of course

Of course, they're obliterating any seriousness and fundamental realness of that very reply. They're doing it to all of them!

(not to anyone who has all their marbles anyway)

Slightly distasteful please use better terminology. If you mean to call people crazy, then you're making a big generalization and proving that you are speaking about something that you're not experienced enough to face with a real, objective, unemotional answer.

but ya gotta love the spirit behind it.

Yes, exactly. Yet you don't see to be expressing that.

[LIP]

UFO's almost HAVE to be real, and there almost HAS to be aliens. Think about it. The universe is infinate. It's never ending. It's HUGE.. bigger than my ex's ass...

So, WHY are WE the only planet to have living things on?

There HAS to be life somewhere else. It's GOT to be out there.

[Hamlet]

I did see a show a while back where they tackled figuring out what one of the more interesting lights was photographed from the Shuttle. Most were easy to figure out-ice coming off the Shuttle itself, etc. The most puzzling one they discovered was a fishing fleet going around the horn of South America with all their lights on at night. It took quite a bit of detective work because the fishing fleet was working in illegal waters and there was no documentation of it until they were caught.

Carl Sagan made a good point-'Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." There's always someone out there ready to bullshit the gullible for fun and profit. And there's always people willing to swallow it hook, line, and sinker. That UFO photographer someone posted a while back was caught with a garage full of UFO models, and some of his stills were directly lifted from old movie frames. But even after the fact he still has a large following buying into every word of bullshit coming out of his mouth.

I've always been intrigued by the UFO thing. When I was a kid I gobbled up every book I could find on the subject, Chariots of the Gods, etc. I still keep a close eye on the subject, but I look for the credible instead of buying into the absurd..My philosophy is if the light in the sky is an Airplane, I want to know and call it a goddamn airplane instead of pretending it's alien jesus coming down to save us all.

I saw an archeologist go through Chariots of the Gods and disassemble all his wild-ass claims that only aliens could have 'cut these stones', moved those rocks', etc....He went down to the quarry, shaped and fitted the stones himself showing exactly how the Incas did "what only an Alien laser could do!" His research won't sell as many books as Von Diekens did, but at least he's telling the truth.

So if you want to know the truth and live by it, it's going to mean letting go of a whole lot of fantasy. 99.9% of all this UFO crap is bullshit...most probably 100% -- But if that .1% ever does come along that truly is the real deal, would you want to miss it because you were too busy waiting on Hale Bopp with some silly-ass cult?

[ate]

You're spouting, if you want to come up with something relative to the movie, then please do so, if not, please don't preach about your cult here do it elsewhere.

[Hamlet]

You're spouting, if you want to come up with something relative to the movie, then please do so, if not, please don't preach about your cult here do it elsewhere.

I"m spouting? No, I'm pointing out real facts about the con job opportunists or the mentally unbalanced are trying to pass off onto the gullible.

And since this is a public forum will I continue to do it anytime I feel the urge. The real spouting comes from those who make wild-ass claims without anything even halfway credible to back it up. We've been con'ed by preachers and snake oil salesmen long enough. A lot of warped minds have caused enormous damage preaching just this kind of pseudo-science and mysticism-from Heaven's Gate, to David Koresh to Charles Manson. I'm always going to call the foul when I see it.

[harris7]

i would like to butt in.

It is impossible for one person to make all the crop circles. If you look into it. it's really crazy how many there are. And how big they are. I know some people have been caught doing them. But some of them, the cool ones, have actually taught us information.

i know it's hard to think of a shape teaching us something. But it has to do with mathematical relationships, which i'm not going to pretend to understand.

as well, there are interesting qualities of the circles. Like, in some the plants are woven together (which would take a hell of a long time) and the plants arn't snapped (which would occur if one did it with a 2x4) just bent and continue to grow.

Furthermore, they occur all over the world i think it's as frequent as more than once a week. And they can be so large that i would take hundreds of hours to create them using the known method (a 2x4)

my house cleaner was really interested in them and took me to info sessions and shit.


i promise i'll watch the video and make a contribution to that discussion


i'm not saying anything about who did them. but i think it's probaly bill gates and some new toy he's got.

[Hamlet]

Sorry harris7 but the interesting traits about the crop circles have be pretty thoroughly disputed. As I mentioned above-I watched a college student plot one out on his computer, pick the field and the date he would do it...send his plans in a registered letter so the date and design were verified before the circle was made. He created the circle in about four hours with the help of a couple of friends (filmed themselves doing it)...a very elaborate design with all kinds of physics and math to make it interesting.

Within a few days after he made it, all the researchers were there claiming there was no way the wheat could be woven like that, etc...they were out there with geiger counters claiming radio activity and all sorts of paranormal phenomena. When confronted with indisputable proof that the kid made it, they absolutely refused to accept accept the truth.

UFOs are a phenomenon. But they have very little to do with real aliens as they are a cultural anomily. Aliens and bigfoot are replacing the Angels and demons of yore in our mythologies. It tells us something about ourselves as humans...that's what makes it really interesting, and that's the real mystery that everyone is missing.