tripping on weed

[dylmurhaha]

ok.. so turns out what i did wasnt the same thing as a gbong- my friend called it that because he forgot the name of it. (i already knew what a gbong was, i just thought what he made was considered a gbong too..)

it turns out what I used was called a waterfall... i don't know if that is more or less powerful than a gbong, but my friend said that that and a gbong are basically the same concept

[pu ekot]

ok.. so turns out what i did wasnt the same thing as a gbong- my friend called it that because he forgot the name of it. (i already knew what a gbong was, i just thought what he made was considered a gbong too..)

it turns out what I used was called a waterfall... i don't know if that is more or less powerful than a gbong, but my friend said that that and a gbong are basically the same concept

no, they are extremely different. the gravity bong FORCES smoke into your lungs, waterfall doesn't

[dylmurhaha]

does it matter if it forced smoke into your lungs or not if you inhale all the smoke thats produced?

[Mean Green Charlene]

Yes! because even if you dont want the smoke..its forced:blueknife:

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I've experience all that, and a lot more.

The only way I can keep it all around is by not smoking every day and by smoking either high quality bud, or semi-high quality bud through a gravity or a steam roller.

Sometimes a few large blunts will do it.

But, research "siddhis", and there's a bunch more but I can't really think of right now.

Marijuana unlocks something, that's for sure, when I'm truly in a state like that.

I don't get hungry, I don't want to laugh, I don't want to act like a typical stoner subculturing, that's like the difference between those who used cocaine in medical environments way back when it was used in hospitals, and those who get coked up every night to make their worries go away.

A lot of people fit into the second category there, they eat, they indulge and use every bit of this plant for all the wrong reasons, that's just stupid, exactly like building up a cocaine habit because you can't handle your life without an escape, while others actually used it for a specific medical, or mental purpose. It's literally the most defaming and degrading thing you could possibly do, what's worse is that they go and say "I love weed", it's the biggest lie in the world.

OP, or anyone else that has experienced a psychedelic effect, do you ever wonder what it's for? I mean. We are humans, and humans evolve, so everything in our life is either an evolutionary asset, or a limiter. What's the asset with marijuana. Note suffering, both in the Buddhist sense, as well as the sense that animals are simply animals and nothing more, is life. So where does marijuana fit it.

What's the next step, when smoking marijuana, for your life, in terms of mind, spirit, body and evolution? There's something very important there, right in the high, that either will be found, or won't be. If it is found then every oz you've ever smoked was an evolutionary asset, and helped you. If not, than every time you smoked, you were fitting into the second category of the cocaine user analogy I put above.

Many people won't want to hear this, but there has to be a middle ground somewhere from the people who literally want to make this organism extinct on the face of the planet, and those who want to keep it growing next to their beds. The middle ground is that it's not our decision as to control the planet and nature, all things are already the way they need to be, including with this planet and our access to it. As for spiritual quests, where one will change the world, bring what they desire by the mind, to themselves, and go out and get what's needed, then it should be done for learning. If it was to be done for indulgence, and happiness, then one will quickly find themselves in a very large whole, dug by their desire to exist for themselves, and to please only themselves.

You may think it's nice to be nice to others, but it's an extension of this, to be nice to all organisms, this includes plants, and for this you must realize whether you are using the plant correctly, whether you are hurting the plant, or whether you will cause others to hurt the plant.

Very big subject, very touchy, yet it decides many things about who you are and where you're going.

[pu ekot]

I've experience all that, and a lot more.

The only way I can keep it all around is by not smoking every day and by smoking either high quality bud, or semi-high quality bud through a gravity or a steam roller.

Sometimes a few large blunts will do it.

But, research "siddhis", and there's a bunch more but I can't really think of right now.

Marijuana unlocks something, that's for sure, when I'm truly in a state like that.

I don't get hungry, I don't want to laugh, I don't want to act like a typical stoner subculturing, that's like the difference between those who used cocaine in medical environments way back when it was used in hospitals, and those who get coked up every night to make their worries go away.

A lot of people fit into the second category there, they eat, they indulge and use every bit of this plant for all the wrong reasons, that's just stupid, exactly like building up a cocaine habit because you can't handle your life without an escape, while others actually used it for a specific medical, or mental purpose. It's literally the most defaming and degrading thing you could possibly do, what's worse is that they go and say "I love weed", it's the biggest lie in the world.

OP, or anyone else that has experienced a psychedelic effect, do you ever wonder what it's for? I mean. We are humans, and humans evolve, so everything in our life is either an evolutionary asset, or a limiter. What's the asset with marijuana. Note suffering, both in the Buddhist sense, as well as the sense that animals are simply animals and nothing more, is life. So where does marijuana fit it.

What's the next step, when smoking marijuana, for your life, in terms of mind, spirit, body and evolution? There's something very important there, right in the high, that either will be found, or won't be. If it is found then every oz you've ever smoked was an evolutionary asset, and helped you. If not, than every time you smoked, you were fitting into the second category of the cocaine user analogy I put above.

Many people won't want to hear this, but there has to be a middle ground somewhere from the people who literally want to make this organism extinct on the face of the planet, and those who want to keep it growing next to their beds. The middle ground is that it's not our decision as to control the planet and nature, all things are already the way they need to be, including with this planet and our access to it. As for spiritual quests, where one will change the world, bring what they desire by the mind, to themselves, and go out and get what's needed, then it should be done for learning. If it was to be done for indulgence, and happiness, then one will quickly find themselves in a very large whole, dug by their desire to exist for themselves, and to please only themselves.

You may think it's nice to be nice to others, but it's an extension of this, to be nice to all organisms, this includes plants, and for this you must realize whether you are using the plant correctly, whether you are hurting the plant, or whether you will cause others to hurt the plant.

Very big subject, very touchy, yet it decides many things about who you are and where you're going.

Smoking weed is wrong if you're not looking for a higher purpose? So should we stop riding roller coasters because they don't evolve us?

Were you trying to say that marijuana is here for a purpose, and not just so we can giggle and eat? Because marijuana is here the same reason every other plant is, it wants to thrive, and that's all it wants. It has nothing to do with humans.

Or maybe I just completely missed what you were trying to say.

[KottonMouthKid]

Smoking weed is wrong if you're not looking for a higher purpose? So should we stop riding roller coasters because they don't evolve us?

Were you trying to say that marijuana is here for a purpose, and not just so we can giggle and eat? Because marijuana is here the same reason every other plant is, it wants to thrive, and that's all it wants. It has nothing to do with humans.

Or maybe I just completely missed what you were trying to say.

PLANTS HAVE FEELINGS TOO MANN :rasta:

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Smoking weed is wrong if you're not looking for a higher purpose?

No, EVERYTHING has a higher purpose, all you're supposed to do is acknowledge it, it's besides the point of whether you actually perceive yourself as doing it or not.

So it's not. "Do it, or don't do it." It's "If you're going to do it, get the best you can out of it."

Now, this means what it does to me! To you, the best could be simply relaxing and having a "good time", and that's for you to decide!

So should we stop riding roller coasters because they don't evolve us?

If it was hurting you, YES!

Were you trying to say that marijuana is here for a purpose, and not just so we can giggle and eat?

Absolutely! But also so we can giggle and eat!

Because marijuana is here the same reason every other plant is, it wants to thrive, and that's all it wants. It has nothing to do with humans.

The plant will tell you otherwise, if communication is gained, it will tell you all nature is currently here for humans, because humans are the first to be off this planet when the time comes!

While other animals have quite a bit of "evolving" to do!

Or maybe I just completely missed what you were trying to say.

No, you got it spot on, just take what I wrote in this post into consideration.

Basically! No one has to change a thing, we're all doing what we want, when we want it, because that's THE RIGHT THING!

Yet!

The right thing that we know to have created for ourselves, must also be cross referenced into a "RIGHT THING" that has been around for many millenia if not all of time, and that is our EVOLUTIONARY nature!

Now find out whether marijuana helps or doesn't!

But yes, this goes back to the first premise because you could help yourself grow by finding the time to relax and experience physical sensations with heightened senses, and that may teach you!

Yet you could do that and fall into delusion and "indulgence"!

One could meditate, and become crazy with marijuana as well, becoming paranoid and psychotic!

One could also meditate and "find theirself" in the higher densities of energy!

Weight those out!

One may be in a previous stage of evolution on this earth, in the present life, and desire the first, second, third, or fourth option over and over again, in any order, or any given moment! It's all up to us!

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PLANTS HAVE FEELINGS TOO MANN :rasta:

They do not feel in the sense of complex, emotional, and physical sensation based on your electrical, chemical, and energetic body/consciousness complex, yet they do feel as we do!

They do comprehend our being here, and they do realize everything we humans and other animals are doing to and on this planet!

They are highly connected to the planet! Think of it as a mainframe of information, they realize what's happening on the other side of the world, before anyone else near them would!

They do not interact as an animals does, for they are not animals! For this reason, they are here for our use, yet we are to treat every living being with the same and equal respect!

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Damn, I just smoked a bowl, when I first joined here I used to smoke everyday, I've cut back since then, I kind of feel it was the wrong thing, so smoking is a very new experience every time, to the point that it was when I first started smoking.

Reading the experiences you have described while high, I can remember the things that I've experienced in this state that relate to it. Like right now it's a bunch of weird patterns of events around me, and things affecting my body physically that keep seeming to line up with my thoughts and a kind of like be drawn to them, as if what I'm thinking is affecting possible events that haven't happened yet like a magnetic of some working that goes through time and pulls the present moment into shape and a specific reality.

I was gonna make a gravity bong after this thread, but I'm too high after just one bowl, it's that weird purpally weed I posted in the pictures forum too. I have no idea what it is, because just one nug that's entirely purple, but most of the rest have a purple tint and bits of purple on them.

http://img276.imageshack.us/img276/7152/1002964dr4.jpg

My goodness I am smacked.

Oh yea. The siddhis thing, I believe that all the affects one can perceive through psychedelic experiences are mainly identified by a heightened sense of reality, coming in, most obviously, through body's sensory perception, and a non-local(non-body) source called consciousness, or self-awareness.

The source of this "information" is away from the body, or not the physical body itself, it can be in the body, but it's not that big heavy thing that processes data and that we lug around. The information coming from outside the body, I believe is only to be called the "self". Your true identify, everything about you, you could possibly identify as being "me", is this source. Not the life you're in now, but anything you can imagine on your own, is you.

Now this would be opposite of the blind pleasure seeking module of the brain and body. I think the difference is most definately shown when one is in a state of extreme "activation" of this other source of information, where things are traveling through the same space that the mind is in, or the space of the mind itself. So laws are different, perceptions of any "body" if you perceive one at all, is all very different.

Now the main difference with the what information comes through this source and what comes through the body, is that you immediately, and by that I mean consciously pull information in through the top(the mind, the crown, the self-awareness/consciousness (IAM) by identifing with it directly, and basically silently saying "I want it".

Then you experience it instantly, in this manner that only relates to the self-consciousness, and that is thought or whatever happens to a person's life experience when they are in meditation, or participating in a psychedelic experience or mystical experience, is the exact factor that relates to an instantaneous form of "matter" or whatever you want to call what you experience when you're just thinking and not doing, as opposed to "physical matter and experience", but when your just thinking. That's most likely just another form of matter, that's radiating it's material outward as if in motion like a liquid that is alive, or can be controlled using certain devices and is simply called "energy" here.

This instantaneous information stream is highly active and highly awakened during one of these 'mental' experiences, that one doesn't really experience while in physical interaction with something, but from literally "disconnecting" form all that is physical and thereby reattaching to the world of the mind.

Close to your way of saying you felt it as

felt like my body and my mind were disconnected, and I would be watching myself do shit as if I wasn't in my body- almost like I was standing right behind myself staring at the back of my head, but being able to see thru to see what I was doing.

Only you were consciousness, and aware, so you WERE outside your BODY, yet your MIND was still with you.

Your awareness is not your thoughts, or that familar feeling of being in a body, feeling the connection of it's thinking brain, and claiming it to be your own forever and for always. Getting out always feels different, yet you are awaken, and you are yourself when in this state, you're more-so yourself because you are the thing both controlling the body, as well as receiving information from it, not the body itself.

This is the non-local force, or consciousness, or space that we truly exist in, and this is what plants, or substances like the one's in marijuana, allow us to connect to, by turning off certain parts of the brain. Kind of acting as a gateway out, as if it were meant for a reason, to be here for us if we had forgotten how to do it on our own.

Terrence Mckenna, and Timothy Leary both understood this. The 8-Circuit's of consciousness do a bit to talk about it.

Now, for the second part of what you said, well for the first I've felt disconnected, I think we all do, we have that feeling where we're in another place in the stoned state.

Yet but with the image, that's a complex form of information, a "sense" of mind in this state, a perception, or "feeling" that you are a certain way, is an extended state of an emotion. Emotions are normally based off of what we feel, if we're being acted by a tiger (think of our evolution through the ages) we would feel something different than if we were eating, and this is to ensure our safety.

The new factor involved today is the awareness that we exist as something other than our body, and that there are more important things to act on, to protect, and to worry about or feel good about.

Basically, the first level of consciousness our animalistic body's had perceived, moved up from being totally based off of what the body is currently feeling, and what the mind and body requires right now, just so that it doesn't keel over dead from not eating for two weeks, has moved on to now sustaining the desires of your individuality. Now we have something other than our body, we have a part of the body, one part that controls the others, a little hierarchy of power has been created, and it will soon be destroyed when the truth about which organ is more equal really comes out.

Think of the big lump of fat in your skull, acting on the body as if it is the only living tissue, thinking that it decides how much the body eats, stretching the stomach out if it is required, or how hard the body will be pushed, breaking bones and fracturing the skeleton if it feels it wants to do so.

This is an imbalance, and it's based on an organic process, of consciousness and self-awareness moving into a living tissue group that was before, only subconscious, and basically robotic.

So, from this basic structure of "awareness", comes self-awareness, in which case we've become delusioned in thinking that we are our brains.

In the evolutionary progression, usually the consciousness realization of change, progresses in an outward manner, expanding as if from a reversed force of gravity that causes all consciousness in existence to spread outward to other consciousness, as if it were linking up like a network of hyperspaced out conscious-bio-energy, planets large, moving around the galaxy and universe.

Now this is done all the time, whether the smaller parts of the consciousness are aware of this or not. In this case the planet, which is most likely connected through some means that we cannot comprehend yet, to every other planet in the solar system, and every other solar system in the galaxy.

Now just like the animal, living, being aware of food, of pleasure and pain, and sexual urges and bathroom urges, that's ALL it knows. A very limited kind of perception when you take into account what we know now, and what there actually is beyond that!

So just like the subconscious animals position, we are too in a limited form of existence, where things are happening around us, and we are being controlled by forces that span across our entire beingness.

Now. This is an example of that linear and direct progression that you can see consciousness taking in evolution.

As the animal became conscious, (the animal's that a self-aware human evolved from) it only gained apprehension of all these forces and urges and desirse and "intelligence" keeping it's body alive. Just one single body, and just one single individual spark of consciousness was awakened, it did not know the larger body that it was apart of, just the basic urges.

Now we are each apart of this body, as we are also the animals that we evolved from, yet we also believe ourselves to be the sum total of the body, stricly paradoxical in human fashion, we believe our consciousness to come from the brain, yet we believe "ourselves" to be one human body.

So either we are not the consciousness, or we are not our body! Oddly, a human will choose to ignore the fact that he is the one keeping his thoughts in order (well, not lately..) while the body keeps it's organs in order!

So the progression goes on, and as each one of us came from beings who existed only as partial awarenesses (the urges, and blind desires of a subconscious), we too exist as a part. In this case, the body we are a part of has expanded beyond comprehension.

This is the thing about this universe, the jumps from one stage to the next are literally mind blowing.

If it didn't take billions of years to get here, then it would not work, we'd all burn out mentally and die long ago. For the next step of consciousness, would likely be a global body, which, just as the emotional consciousnesses, as well as logical, which became aware in the body of the animals which were very simple minded before, the mind that we now exist as a part of, would to our view expand very highly and the only logical step is that we are either existing as our blood lines, or many beings in our family and race, or our entire species as one!

Guess what!? It keeps going because the next exponential leap would be the entire planet, every living thing on it, which would just like the minds emotions which started very simply and then became complex, started very simply as lava and water, and eventually became as complex as a you can get!

So this fractal-like nature is present everwhere, as a sort of hologram, and since it's a fractal, there are so many folding layers that go in and back and raise and lower in the intensity of focus and arrangement that it's practically infinite beyond any reasonable method of spectrum when you take into account that this is only one planet and that right now you are only aware of presently two feet of space around your body, and over your life, all the things you interact around this planet and in our imagination.

The vastness of the universe, coupled with the complexity of our own evolution and structure of mind and body simply blow any idea that our current state of awareness is even "CLOSE" to what "IT ALL" is, right out of the water and into supernova.

So, this is the kind of thing I think about while high, and when I get really high, and in a quiet calm, happy, loving meditative state, I shoot right out of my body and fly around time and the planet thinking of these things and scenerios and situations and then watching them appear and play out right in front of me as well as interact with various beings which seem to inhabit these places in a sort of timeless aspect, as if they don't exist in any one time, but all of it. Kind of like an ancient universal "eye" that watches and has a few good laughs and a few good jokes here and again as it's playing with this device it created from a far away place, when you go there, it sees you and you interact. Quite hilarious based off of what many spiritual leaders (not like priests) but other people who simply talk and don't expect anyone to take what they say for granted or through blindness, but just to listen. Because they explain a lot of these scenerios out, but all this is a very different subject, as I've already written alot, and I don't quite expect anyone to read all of it, but just a quick skim or the first paragraph (*checks to see if there is one*) will do fine. The only part I feel I didn't explain or touch on adequetly (only as far is it needs to be explained) is the part of the trips to hyperspace and interactions with the beings, for often in this case the being is yourself, and it always appears to someone differently, it always has a different hello, and a secret hand shake that only you know, but that's a bad way of putting it, because in words there are no ways, one must experience it for themselves as with all things..

I hope I didn't write too much..

Oh yea, and I didn't talk about how breath affects the mind and that higher portion of thought experience, and that it's directly tied to experiencing anything "extra-physical" without a substance being put into your body.