Here's some inspiring pics...

[sawleaf]

But isn't that the greatest conflict of interest??

What about all those TV ads saying that buying weed funds terrorists? What about neo-conservative rhetoric? I can't understand, for the life of me, how a pot smoker could side with people who constantly pass laws according to their interpretation of the bible (re: Ashcroft -- so much for separation of Church and State... Wasn't that done away with in the constitution?) and with people who give longer jail sentences to drug users than to rapists????

Yeah it is a conflict of interest. But I don't know a lot of people who totally agree with everything a single political party represents.

[F L E S H]

Yeah it is a conflict of interest. But I don't know a lot of people who totally agree with everything a single political party represents.

Point for Sawleaf

[The C]

Totrog weither really smart ro really dumb, what does evyerone esle think?

[GooseBear]

yes point for SAW
I consider myself somewhat of a conservatist
and I DO! smoke the reefer
lol

[Imotep]

two party politics still leaves a lot of room for conflicting ideas within those two parties. theres always renegades and mavericks. lol.

[Torog]

Torog, I've got a bone to pick with you. You seem to enjoy copying/pasting articles about stuff 99.999% of the members of this board don't agree with at all, yet when people reply to them, you come back to debate 'your' points. This leads me to 2 conclusions, and I would like that you tell me which is the more accurate, so I can have some peace of mind. Either:

1-You're simply copying/pasting articles but don't know what they actually mean, so you're not able to debate them with someone who provides a valid and opposing point of view (i.e. you're not too bright)

2-You're just a sh*t-disturber and enjoy pissing people off, and the Torog we all know is just a front for you to have fun.

Now, by reading some of your non-political posts (few and far between ) I've decided that you're definitely not stupid, and by the simple fact that you smoke a lot of weed and yet you present yourself as a right-wing ultra-conservative christian is ironic to the point that it just cannot be true.

I enjoy debating the issues you bring up, but I'm not gonna bother anymore unless you show me that you're NOT a fake.

Speak now or forever hold your peace

Howdy FLESH,

Point # 1. I read every article that I copy and paste,and I analyse my thoughts and reactions to them,as well as attempt to extrapolate what I can expect in response to posting each article,and formulate my arguments and counter-points to the opposition ,before-hand. My purpose,is not only to enlighten-but to inform and recieve a definition of opposing views..I am,in effect,prompting you and stimulating you,to define yourself and your personal beliefs,so that I can better understand you and how you percieve the world..my intention is to debate the subject at hand-not to provoke an emotional reaction-for my own pleasure. I try to always remain open to the possibilty-that you may in fact,teach me something about my perceptions that could possibly be wrong..thereby further evolving my wisdom pertaining to the subject being discussed. Is that so wrong ? Is it being malicious,to prompt a response from you-purely for discussional and defining purposes ?

Point #2. I appreciate your kind words,stating that you believe that I'm not stupid.

I assure you,that I am an ultra-conservative Christian,in many ways-but not all..I'm also a traditionalist as well as an unapologitic,shame-less American patriot. That does not mean-that I support the war on drugs,as it pertains to marijuana-but I do detest hard drugs,especially when they are sold to children and minors..what adults do ,in regards to hard drugs-as long as they don't harm others-including their family's,is the business of adults.

I firmly believe,that this here old dog,can learn new tricks..even the youngest and the least amongst y'all..has the possibility of teaching me something new..I try to remain open and humble,to that fact..because I desire to be true to myself..as false-hoods and airs-will git me nowhere..'cept maybe running around in circles.

I hope that my response has been satisfactory and self-explanatory...

Have a good one....Torog

[F L E S H]

All rght Torog, I guess an apology is in order. I just REALLY don't understand your position, although I've tried, especially since the election. Whatever.

We both like weed, so let's be friends

[Kombucha]

I reckon most of these soldiers aren't brave at all, they just enjoy killing people and destroying things. A good example of this is the marine that shot an unarmed, injured guy with his eyes closed for no reason, and the guy using a mortar launcher who fired a mortar then went "Woo! Get me some more ammo baby!"

[RESiNATE]

err..anyone got anymore popcorn?
I'm out lmfaooo

Kombucha, I don't think that the soldiers are wanton killers (although, as with everything in life, there will be a few 'radicals' within any given group - law of averages, yes?), but you must remember that they are in a 'kill-or-be-killed' situation that folk such as I (a non-soldier who has never faced such adversity) can not hope to understand.
Those images that you saw on the news, are wholly misrepresentative of the precluding situation - ie, who's to say that that particular Marine, had not just witnessed several of his comrades get shot down by these people.

The type of people that we are dealing with here, are not the kind of people who possess rational thought - they DO NOT represent the Iraqis in any way, and I would further suggest that it is THEY who are the wanton killers, rather than the Marines.

Recently, a western woman was brutally murdered and mutilated by these so-called 'freedom fighters', and yet this woman (Margaret Hassan) was someone who had dedicated her life to helping the Iraqi people - surely, no one can justify such a 'political' outcry.

Although most of us have not experienced a 'war-zone' environment, I think we can at least understand the feeling of adrenalin when in a 'combative' situation; How many of us get so wound up about a football match, and find ourselves shouting abuse at the opposition etc? Is it not a similar feeling of emotions running riot?
Try to imagine that same feeling of adrenalin, but with a view to the fact that any mistake will cost you your life, rather than just your pride.

War is nasty, folks, and things happen that we (who have no comprehension of such) find very hard to understand or accept. That is not to lend any justification to any attrocities that occur, but rather to with-hold judgement until we are in possession of ALL of the facts pertaining to such - rather than rely on footage on our screens which can easily be misrepresentative, or indeed, edited to illicit a prescibed response.

Imagine, if you will, that an alien force has stormed your house, and systematically killed your entire family, yet you have survived.
I wonder how discriminate YOU would be, had you the wherewithall to exact your revenge against them?

The true reasons for going into this war will most likely not become apparent for some time, but rest assured that the ramifications will be known sooner than we all would like, probably.

Just my thoughts.


Res...

[sawleaf]

I reckon most of these soldiers aren't brave at all, they just enjoy killing people and destroying things. A good example of this is the marine that shot an unarmed, injured guy with his eyes closed for no reason, and the guy using a mortar launcher who fired a mortar then went "Woo! Get me some more ammo baby!"

To serve in a combat zone takes personal bravery period. The rush and fear troops experience in combat brings on lots of emotion. People deal with it in different ways. Making combat fun is a way for troops to hide the horror and fear they feel. They are in a shitty situation so they make it fun. They are fighting to stay alive more than anything and each person they kill betters their chances of survival. If you have not experienced combat, who are you to criticize troops who are fighting? The Marine who shot the man playing dead assessed the situation and made a call. We are not their experiencing what they are daily. When was the last time someone shot at you?