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[Torog]

When did I say all Jews were terrorists? I said Isreal. Israel brings terrorism onto itself just like we bring it on our country. I don't agree with terrorism, but it is a way for oppressed people to fight back against larger more powerful countries. It is our countries foregin policy and Israel's aggression against the palestinians that bring on more terrorism. I don't see palestinians driving tanks, gunships, and fighter jets. The Israelis don't need to use suicide bombers, they have a massive military we provided them. Hell, palestinians rarely can pick up a rifle without getting killed, so I see why they resort to using dirty methods and bombing people. I don't agree that is right, but what would you do if you were oppressed like they are? We need to stop supporting Israel and it's treatment of palestinians and change our fucked up foreign policy. All our problems come from us. We are like the worlds bully, and we get upset when people fight back.

Howdy sawleaf,

Are you implying,that Israel does not have the right to exist ?

Are you also saying,that the terrorists are un-accountable for their actions ?
Israel,didn't start this mess,they were attacked in'48,by arabs who didn't want them to exist as a State-in fact..the goal of muslim arabs and pali's,is to kill all Jews and wipe Israel off the map. It ain't about establishing a free and democratic,peaceful Palestine-it's always been their goal,to destroy Israel..the Palestinian 'State"..is just an excuse to keep killing Jews.

At some point in time-you have to hold the terrorists and the countries who sponsor and export them-accountable for their actions-just as we do for any criminal. It's not like America and Israel,want to impose brutal dictatorships-like muslims want to do.

Are you saying-that all folks slaughtered by terrorists,deserve it-because they failed to make the terrorists happy and give into their brutal demands ?

I think that your priorities are out-of-whack....you may as well say-that Laci Peterson and her un-born child,deserved to be murdered by Scott Peterson-because Laci was in the 'way ' of Scott's happiness...

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[thcbongman]

Oh that makes sense your a neo-conservative. Whoopie fucking do.

"Are you also saying,that the terrorists are un-accountable for their actions ?
Israel,didn't start this mess,they were attacked in'48,by arabs who didn't want them to exist as a State-in fact..the goal of muslim arabs and pali's,is to kill all Jews and wipe Israel off the map. It ain't about establishing a free and democratic,peaceful Palestine-it's always been their goal,to destroy Israel..the Palestinian 'State"..is just an excuse to keep killing Jews."

One, they live there longer than the zionists. They are only there because of the British Mantra. Both have their claim to that land. Are you saying Palestine doesn't have the right to exist even tho their people lived there for thousands and thousands of years? Didn't think of that one did ya.

"At some point in time-you have to hold the terrorists and the countries who sponsor and export them-accountable for their actions-just as we do for any criminal. It's not like America and Israel,want to impose brutal dictatorships-like muslims want to do."

Explain how a country should be held for sponsering terrorism. Should we hold the US liable for a bunch of drug lords who sell drugs? That's idiotic.

"Are you saying-that all folks slaughtered by terrorists,deserve it-because they failed to make the terrorists happy and give into their brutal demands ?"

You don't understand why a terrorist is willing to blow themselves up. It's because they're fighting to free their people. For a cause, it's the wrong way too, but neither you or I would understand because we have no idea what it means to be occupied.

"I think that your priorities are out-of-whack....you may as well say-that Laci Peterson and her un-born child,deserved to be murdered by Scott Peterson-because Laci was in the 'way ' of Scott's happiness..."

Some BS rhetoric to throw in that has nothing to do with the issue? It's not even in the same parallel.

[JohnnyBravo]

For fuck sake, there's a politcal forum for all this bollox, take your opinions there.

[sawleaf]

Howdy sawleaf,

Are you implying,that Israel does not have the right to exist ?

Are you also saying,that the terrorists are un-accountable for their actions ?
Israel,didn't start this mess,they were attacked in'48,by arabs who didn't want them to exist as a State-in fact..the goal of muslim arabs and pali's,is to kill all Jews and wipe Israel off the map. It ain't about establishing a free and democratic,peaceful Palestine-it's always been their goal,to destroy Israel..the Palestinian 'State"..is just an excuse to keep killing Jews.

At some point in time-you have to hold the terrorists and the countries who sponsor and export them-accountable for their actions-just as we do for any criminal. It's not like America and Israel,want to impose brutal dictatorships-like muslims want to do.

Are you saying-that all folks slaughtered by terrorists,deserve it-because they failed to make the terrorists happy and give into their brutal demands ?

I think that your priorities are out-of-whack....you may as well say-that Laci Peterson and her un-born child,deserved to be murdered by Scott Peterson-because Laci was in the 'way ' of Scott's happiness...

Torog, I am not implying or saying any of that. I am just saying that our country is not the good guy. There is no good guy. Most of these problems come from us. Do you think terrorists are any worst than our government and it's greedy political agenda? Our foriegn policy is very fucked up. Our greedy government has caused so many people suffering in this world. When it comes down to it, I take our countries side, but not blindly. I know the US government is powerful and very corupt. You can't understand the enemy very well if you don't understand why they are fighting us. Look at it from their perspective.

[Encatuse]

Torog's girlfriend is a terrorist.
I must inform the mayor.

[ineedskillz]

Can't we all just get high....

[Kombucha]

Israel does have no right to exist. After WW2 America decided that the Jews needed a country, so they thought they would give them most of Palestine. Which, funnily enough, belonged to the PALESTINIANS. No I am not anit-Semitic, and no I am not pro-terrorist, but Israel should not exist. Sorry if the Jews don't have a country, but there aren't any empty countries hanging around at the moment.

Torog, I cannot say that I have read the Koran, so I don't know much about what it contains, but I doubt you have either. What I can say is that although the Bible says that you should not kill, it also justifies killing many times (in the Old Testament.) Many Egyptians are killed by the plagues brought upon Egypt, almost the entire world is killed in the floods. I can't think of any more examples right now but I expect you've read he Bible and will know of other places.

[Torog]

Torog, I am not implying or saying any of that. I am just saying that our country is not the good guy. There is no good guy. Most of these problems come from us. Do you think terrorists are any worst than our government and it's greedy political agenda? Our foriegn policy is very fucked up. Our greedy government has caused so many people suffering in this world. When it comes down to it, I take our countries side, but not blindly. I know the US government is powerful and very corupt. You can't understand the enemy very well if you don't understand why they are fighting us. Look at it from their perspective.

Howdy sawleaf,

I tell you what,you've been living around too many liberals,if you think America is worse than countries that are brutal dictatorships,as a Marine,you should know,that America,liberated over a billion folks from brutal dictatorships last century,and that we've liberated over 50 million more folks,this century. How you think that is bad,I don't understand . How do you figure,that it's worse to give folks choice ? If our foreign policy is messed up,it due mostly to liberals and the UN-both of whom are weak-willed and believe that appeasement is the answer-to feeding the wolf and making it happy..so that it doesn't devour our children.

I also find,that it is you-who does not understand who the enemy is-which is pretty sad,for a Marine. The enemy,is anyone that does not believe in Liberty,Justice and Freedom for all. IT's JUST THAT SIMPLE-PERIOD.

The only thing that Islam offers,and usually forces,is brutal oppression-at every level. The same is true of Communism..for you to make excuses for either and blame America while you're at it..is reprehensible and is not in the character of a Marine. I would really love to see you express your feelings about America-and see the reaction of your fellow veterans,at your local VFW and American Legion..I suspect-that they will stop serving you drinks at the bar-just for starters.

Have a good one...Torog

[Kombucha]

Torog, how the hell could America have liberated 1 billion people last century. Let's see... wars that America was in last century...

1st World War: America liberated no one. No one got liberated at all.
2nd World War: Germany, Japan and Italy were liberated from dictatorships, none of them directly though. I could have sworn that there were a lot of other countries in that war who put a lot more effort in the America did. Oh well...
Korean War: No one liberated. Many killed.
Vietnam War: America poking it's nose in to stop the nasty commies. No one liberated. Many killed.
Gulf war: No one liberated

Maybe you are counting the Cold War? Firstly, as with the 2nd World War you were not the only country involved by a long shot, secondly the USSR was not liberated, America just kept threatening it (and the entire world) until it collapsed due to a failing economy, brought on by itself, not by any brave Americans.

At the end of the last century there were 6 billion people in the world. Are you saying that America "liberated" 1/6 of the entire world's population? With is own 200-and-something million people?

[Torog]

Howdy Kombucha,

The stats have been compiled and verified,if you choose not believe them,that's your choice.

Let's see,you're the feller that said Israel doesn't have the right to exist,the fact is,is that God gave the Jews Israel-long before any arabs came along and began to ruin and destroy everything that they touch.

Israel,is a democracy and the arabs want to put into place,a brutally oppressive islamic goverment..why would you believe that brutal oppression-is better than democracy ? Israel,was a land of ruin and devastation,under the rule of arabs-when the Jews finally came back to their homeland,given to them by God,thousands of years ago,they transformed the valleys of ruin into green valleys of life.

Why do you despise Liberty,Freedom and Justice for all,so much ?

When you side with the brutal islamofascists-that is what you're doing..why don't you understand that ?

My girlfriend wants to know-why do you instinctively hate Jews so much ?

I have found the Jews to be amongst the most tolerant and charitable folks I've ever met..my girlfriend and her parents-helped me and my daughter,through some of the toughest times in my life-they opened their hearts and home to my daughter and I,even though I'm a conservative Christian..I have learned much,about tolerance and charity for others,because of my Jewish girlfriend and her Jewish family..I'm certain ,that you could learn much as well.

I stand with Israel and the Jews.."Those who would curse Israel..shall be cursed..those who bless Israel..shall be blessed "... God will punish all who rise against His People...Armageddon approaches..Islam will be destroyed..as will those who curse Israel and God's People.

May God have Mercy on your soul..ye of little Faith..