BlueBear ur dead on man. Ive been searching for an "improvement" or a new one, i posted picks on a diy i came up with in paint. I was thinking either doing that, getting the 8bucketfarm or a 3x3 ebb/flow table, i was thinkin i would get best grow and yeilds with the 3x3 table because of the fact it saturates roots and then when done pulls fresh oxygen everytime it feeds, and you only have one bucket of water to test ph/tds by easiest means. The 8bucketfarm and the ebb/flow table are both around 300, and the diy would just be time consuming paying no more then 50 bucks in rubbermaid containers and plumbing. Current setup, 2 12gal rubbermaids(around that size). and a drain to res., top feed, i get 4ft babes 6plant system. spent about 50 bucks, on a pump and containers netpots growrocks and tubing. Cant go wrong, These complex systems are $ and they seem to complicate things.