Hardest "Christian" thing to do?

[JunkYard]

PTS, I was wrong about when the Trinity concept came to be accepted, so if you reply to my previous post, no need to adress that. Apparently it has been used since the 4th century. I was wrong, so...

Also, If we can't agree on Jesus being Gog or not, we could at least agree that the essence of the Logos [Christ] is the same as the Theos [God], yes?


Love,

[Pass That Shit]

JY,

You claim that jesus is the Son of God. Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God? Do you know the difference between the son of man and the Son of God? Is Jesus not both? Didn't the son of man die on the cross? The Son of God can't die. The The Son of God doesn't have beginning of days or end of life. He has no decent. No father or mother. He is eternal. He created all things. He made the world. He was before all things. God made man in his image. Jesus is the image of the invisible God. He is the express image of his person. You are the image of your person. Don't you have a body, soul and spirit? Are you three people? God is ONE. God is LORD. Jesus is LORD. Doesn't God have a face? Don't you have a face? He made you like him. Moses saw God face to face and he lived. Jesus said that Moses wrote of him. Find me a writing of Jesus in the books of Moses? The law and the prophets (old testament) testify of him. He fulfilled their writings. God was manifest in the flesh. He always was, is and will be. Only God is to be worshipped. Only the Father recieves worship. You don't bow your knees unto two different people. Even angels which are higher beings reject to be worshipped. Why didn't Jesus correct anyone that worshipped him? Why did he accept worship? Didn't jesus say that if you have seen him you have seen the Father? He is claiming to be the image of God. Jesus says that where two are three are gathered together in his name that he is in the midst of them. How is that possible without being there in the flesh? Jesus is the Holy Spirit. Don't you have a spirit inside your body? So does Jesus. Jesus is the word of God and he claims that the old testament was written about him. The words of Jesus are the words of God. Jesus is the mouth of God. How did the word become flesh? They knew it would be God himself that would come to save them. He shall save his people. They called his name Emannuel, which means God with us. The scribes and the pharisees did not believe it was Jesus. God is a man. The ten commandments were written with the finger of God. Don't you have a finger? There is ONE SAVIOR in the OLD TESTAMENT. Jesus is revealed as Lord and Savior in the new testament. So according to you there are two saviours? Jesus is Lord. Are there two Lords? If one is not the other are they not two? Who believes in the trinity, me or you? The word trinity doesn't even exist in the bible. The Father the Son and the Holy Spirit are ONE. Your body soul and spirit makes you ONE. You are not a trinity. Neither is he. A cell is also made of three parts but it's still ONE cell.

[BLaQLiGhT]

You claim that jesus is the Son of God. Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God? Do you know the difference between the son of man and the Son of God? Is Jesus not both? Didn't the son of man die on the cross? The Son of God can't die.

Yup, this is right. The son of man was dying. Thats why he yelled out " My GOD, My GOD, why have you forsaken me? " then soon the spirit left him.

[JunkYard]

PTS, I'm not arguing against 'your' belief system; I'm defending mine. You view Jesus as God, and I do not. This is an age old division among Christians, and some people can get extremely angry about it. Why not focus on what we have in common?

I think God is Love, I think Jesus is Love, and I think the holy Spirit is Love, I just honor the source, and I'm thantkful for the other. Surly there is more to God than just Love, like his creation for one. God is a creator, and I assume what he creates he can destroy. To me, his essence is Love, though. Jesus showed us this, and I believe him. Why wouldn't I? Love makes sense to me, and if am to love others, than surely I'm to love creation as well, yes?

I do anyway; I think we live on the most beautiful place in existence...I call it Eden, lol!

Wether Jesus is God is a moot point, imo. I think the Spirit in which he lived is what should be focused on, and not just the flesh. I would also dare say that anyone who knows/understands the purities of Love, knows God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit...even w/o knowledge of the flesh man.

Does Jesus save? Yes, but what are we being saved from, and by what Spirit? Lets not argue, and lests not try to convince each other wrong, man. I'd much rather agree to agree on some points, and disagree on others. That is what makes life so great...the fact that people vary in opinion and belief.

It's all good, imo.


Love,

[braddog10]

My guess would be a few things...I have a small list of common Christian strongholds.

1) Getting over intolerance --> Not a Christian value
2) Getting rid of fear --> Not a true Christian value
3) Loving ourselves --> Is this even in the Bible?
4) Loving others --> easier than loving self
5) Loving our enemies --> #1 Hardest Christian teaching to follow, imo
6) Forgiving others and self --> Can be really hard
7) Having faith in what God made us --> Almost non-existant among Christian Faiths

I think these are all important things when dealing with life as we know it, and something most of us have problem with. Including non-Christians, imo.

We're all basicly the same as far as I can see. We just believe, and value different things...

My morning bake got me --> :stoned: <-- I feel very good right now

Junkyard you are remarkable. Refreshingly honest.
Thank you

[JunkYard]

Junkyard you are remarkable. Refreshingly honest.
Thank you

Thank you, braddog...

I value honesty nowdays, too. It's amazing how a person can change once they understand/value the Love God has for us.

What denomination are you? I have adopted no strict labels, myself. I guess you could call me a liberal, or a "progressive" Christian, though.


Much Love,

[braddog10]

I grew up in a Baptist Church which historically was very sin oriented. All of us kids departed from that as soon as we could get out of the house. There are too many spiritual pathogens related to that kind of focus. Jesus said "wash the inside of the cup, the outside will become clean". I started going to interdenominational churches that understood the true focus of Christianity, to present God's heart as He is displayed in the new testament by Christ.

It took me years to get beyond the hard programing from my early experience, just as it was also hard for national Israel to understand that God was moving beyond the previous dispensation (old testament)to a new one with His son through whom we (Christians) now have freedom to receive forgiveness and love and to then to pass it on as we have received. The Law of the Old testament kind of kills us and bring us to the end of ourselves which then prepares us to receive Forgiveness.

It's very interesting that you would ask this. It's very ironic. This brings me now to the hardest thing in my walk as a Christian that I "HAD" to do.
I had the hardest time receiving the forgiveness of God. It was so hard for me. I wanted I guess to clean myself up and then to present myself to Him clean. It was primarily cigs. I would look up and holding a cigarette up in the air would say "I'll beat this"! It's like He would Laugh and say "no You Won't"!!
Man, It beat the shit out of me for years. Finally one day sitting on my back porch I said "God I guess I just need your forgiveness for this. His word that settled in my heart was "It's about time". It took me years to yield to His Love and Forgiveness, Yeeeeears.

If I would have beaten It myself then I would have been prone to self righteousness which is faaaar worse than my smoking habit.

This is why Jesus referred to the "Religious Right" as self righteous, with references to religious pride. They were under the delusion that they were sinless. That they had cleaned themselves up.

I am so glad that God loved me enough to not let me settle for this.
His word states "God resists the Proud but gives grace to the humble".
To find myself in a position of being resisted by God would be a real shitty state.

I love Him for this. He is so much sweeter than I had ever thought.
The Christian Yoke is actually lighter. To believe otherwise is to still be under the weight of religion. I explained religion under a previous thread. I don't know exactly where.

Have a great Holiday my friend.

[JunkYard]

Have a great Holiday, braddog.

[BLaQLiGhT]

..... It's amazing how a person can change once they understand/value the Love God has for us.

What denomination are you? I have adopted no strict labels, myself. I guess you could call me a liberal, or a "progressive" Christian, though.

Much Love,

This is what keeps me so happy everyday (the bold above). I grew up and I'm currently in a Baptist Church. I'm only 20yrs old, so I don't remember anytime of my life without gods love . I believe with all my heart, if someone/anyone understands and feels the love god has for us, they will change for the better. Everyday I wake up, I feel his love just looking down over me. I know life is not perfect, we all go threw things in life that hurts in many ways, But I'm ok with it because I have no control over these things. I value the love of god so much, I don't know what/where I would be if he wasn't a part of me and my life. Have a very Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Happy New Year & a happy love filled life gays/gals. My GOD bless you all ...