Hardest "Christian" thing to do?

[afghooey]

It's really the tone of your posts that comes off as disrespectful, PTS. You seem to have the attitude that all other opinions are wrong and yours are unequivocally right. No matter how many times you call everyone else a liar and claim to be right, you're still stating an OPINION. The bible wasn't written by god. It was written by men. Whether god inspired the men to write it is debatable, and if you chose to believe that he did, that's a matter of FAITH, not of FACT.

Besides, where in the scriptures does Jesus say to follow everything in the bible? Hell, his word contradicts some parts of the old testament. Turn the other cheek, or eye for an eye? In the old testament, God openly condones stoning on several occasions. Yet, Jesus says 'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." They're both in the same book, but they're complete contradictions. And there are many, many other contradictions in the bible. It doesn't take much searching to find, literally, lists of them. Not everything is meant to be taken literally, not everything is black and white.

afghooey Reviewed by afghooey on 11-30-2006. Hardest "Christian" thing to do? What is the number one teaching of Christianity that is the hardest for youto follow? I believe heavily in the teachings of Christ, but like every other human being in the world I "walk the line" like a drunk with a blindfold on. Atheists and agnostics please post your opinions, too; what do you think is the most demanding and spritually testing? Do you think the world would be a better place if more people followed it, or about the same? For me, personally: Love thy enemy. Rating: 5

[JunkYard]

JY,

"You preach your opinion, not sound gospel. And you know what is said about opinions? They're not worth a hill of beans!!! Why would there be any more truth to your opinions over the opinions of an atheist?

The word of God is THE WORD OF GOD. Calling the word of God the word of man is like calling Jesus a liar. You're a false teacher. You can't say that Jesus is your teacher and then contradict yourself by saying that some of the bible is BS. You obviously don't believe that Jesus is THE WORD OF GOD.

Please tell me about the BS in the bible?"
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Did I call you any names? Was I disrespectful? I understand that truth hurts. I stick by what I say. If you say that some of the bible is BS, then according to his word, you're calling Jesus a liar. I know that he's not a liar. I could care less personally about what you believe in, but I judge according to the Spirit. If you don't like my judgments, which come from the word of God, then I'm sure you don't like God either. Keep in mind, that's it's his word that you have a problem with, not me. Why is ok for you to say that the bible is BS but I can't say that what you're preaching is BS?


Please tell me about the BS in the bible?

o.k...are you saying the "Bible" is the word of God or "Jesus"? You called me a 'false teacher' because I say the Bible has errors, or is it because I don't view and worship Jesus as GOD? Which is it PTS cause I'm getting confused here? Like I said, keep your nose stuck in that book, and worship 'IT' if you feel you must.

I choose to worship/honor in a different way. The fist commandent says to serve God and God alone, but you seem to have found a man speaking for God, and decided to worship HIM as God instead, along with an incomlpete book that man/church/religious traditions has had their way with. Tell me you 'honestly' trust every single word in that book is innerant and complete.

Also, if you're judging by spirit, by which spirit am I going against God? What do you have against Love, respect, and honoring God through the commandments Jesus gave us? That's what I'm doing PTS, but I must admit that you are grinding on my nerves with the false teacher BS...take a look at what you're preaching, bro, and tell me if there is any Love in it at all...

I'm a forgiving person, and I understand that what you believe is very dear to you, man. So is what I believe, and how and 'who' I choose to serve. I've said nothing against Jesus, but I have questioned the Bible and the practices in it deemed nescessary by God. I doubt God would have his children stoned and killed for minor infractions like adultery. No, I say mankind simply got jealous, and used God as an excuse to kill and to satisfy their anger when they bashed the side of a womans skull in with a fucking rock...

Judge the Spirit, PTS. The Bible can lead a person down a road paved with intolerance, anger, and violence. It's big fuckin road too, and there are many
that go therein...

Choose Love, it's the only thing worth setting your heart on, imo. If you're looking for a fight with me, I'll oblige you with one, but I don't want to, man. I'd much rather Love you like any other, but I don't know that I'll 'keep' turning my cheek just to satisfy your need to bully us non-Christian folk with your threats of Hell, end time scenerios, or your false teacher [name calling] accusations.

Choose Love man; it's a higher path...

[JunkYard]

2 Peter 2

1. But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Jesus spoke of Love, he spoke not of his own will but Gods. I have not in any single post denied the fact that Jesus showed me Love, and that it saved me from the darkness within myself. I am a fan of the man Jesus, but He's not my God, he was the light that saved me, but God is my God.

What truth have I spoken against PTS? Do you think you know the mind of God, and that you are capable of conveying that knowledge to the world? No, you know what the Bible says, and the Bible is not the word of God, as the word was in the beginning with God, and was God. The Bible is not God, this might clue you in on who God is...

1 John 4:7-8

7. Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
8. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

This is all I need to understand about that, as I see no error in Love. I simply choose this as opposed to setting my heart on the anger, and intollerance, and violence in the Bible. I judge bt fuits, and the fruits of Agape are always pure...

I appologize if I came off rude in my previos post, PTS. I am a flawed man, and I too get upset. I will sleep well tonight, though...


Love,

[BLaQLiGhT]

[i]This is all I need to understand about that, as I see no error in Love. I simply choose this as opposed to setting my heart on the anger, and intollerance, and violence in the Bible. I judge bt fuits, and the fruits of Agape are always pure...

-Life is about choosing the right things :thumbsup: .

Me myself, know that the bible can have stories that got losted in translation. I'm not saying read and believe everything the bible says when I write a post. I just want people to know that GOD loves you and and he is the only GOD. I believe knowing the true love of GOD will change the the way you/people think. I grew up going to church and I really can't remember not know GOD. I don't even want to think how it woul feel not to know the loev of GOD and living a life with no meaning ...

[Immolation]

I don't know how anyone can believe christianity knowing that paganism predates it.There was already a flood story 1k yrs before the Noah story.

[psychocat]

Each to their own man :thumbsup: can't fault a guy (or gal) that wants to live a peaceful life . Not causing harm to others is a good thing.

However I am an atheist who doesn't subscribe to any particular doctrine , I'm either right or wrong I guess I'll know soon enough.

Till then I will continue to question everything but also try to take all sides on board in the spirit of a scientific experiment where all possibilities must be explored.

I was brought up as a protestant Christian and attended sunday school for a few years before deciding I am my only judge and it's me I have to live with if I do anything real bad (which I have done).

I make my choices and live with the consequences and don't see the point in bitching if I get caught red handed, I look for forgiveness from none and I keep my friends close and my enemies closer still

[Pass That Shit]

"It's really the tone of your posts that comes off as disrespectful, PTS. You seem to have the attitude that all other opinions are wrong and yours are unequivocally right. No matter how many times you call everyone else a liar and claim to be right, you're still stating an OPINION."

I would agree with you if we we're not talking about the word of God. You see, the things I'm pointing out are sound words so it's not my opinion. These pure words have been left here for us. I just repeat them. I don't make them up, so actually it's not an opinion of mine. God claims to be true in his word and I believe it. I'm sorry, there's no way around it. If you say that the bible is not true, you're calling Jesus a liar and you will have to deal with that. I've never told anyone that they're going to hell. It's you guys that carry this conviction around. The Lord knows those that are his. It's not for me to determine who is "saved" or not. If someone doesn't believe at this moment, doesn't mean they won't have a change of heart. I judge what you preach, if you go against his word. Seriously, I'm not angry with any of you. On the other hand, I'm not afraid to point out the error of your words. I know that if I defend the word, I'll always be on top cause it's his WORD not mine. If we we're having an earthly conversation, I wouldn't be as confident cause of the possibility that I may be wrong. However, this does not apply with the word of God cause his word is true. It's not about who is right or wrong. You can't disprove the word of God. If you could disprove the word of God, he would be a liar. And I know that God DOES NOT LIE. I will take his word over yours every time.

JY,
I'm not gonna go back and forth with you. I was just pointing out that you sound all nice about this love stuff, but you fail to see the source of love. To each his own man. It's obvious that your angry cause I'm pointing out your false words. Yes, your words are false. If you say that the word of God is BS, you are lying. I'm not angry when I say this, just pointing a fact that will come to the light.

I don't want to bore you guys with scripture, but I can back up any of my points with his word if you need.

[JunkYard]

PTS, we could go back and forth for months over this, bro. Do you really want too, though? I say the source of Love is God; what say you? My words are not false, they are quite valid, and backed up biblicaly.

Why do you call me false? I don't worship Jesus...I worship God. Jesus never asked to be worshiped, or served. He only asked that we follow him, and what did he do? He spoke of Love, and of God's will...he served God just as we are to do. I don't worship the Bible, either, but admit that it can be useful for instruction, and correction. I believe that it's inspired, just as I believe there are errors in it.

I was a little upset last night, but I got over it quickly, and now your accusations seem laughable. Still, you haven't answered what you think the word of God is, nor have you explained, or posted anything biblical suggesting that the entire Bible is inerrant. You won't either, PTS. Why? Because it's not in there my friend, and you cannot back it up, so I am officially calling your bluff, and raising you a "prove it". [Biblicaly of course]

Here, I'll start you off:

John 1

1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2. The same was in the beginning with God.
3. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.


You can take it from here...


Love,

[Pass That Shit]

The reason I didn't back it up with scripture is because you claimed that some of it is BS. How do I know which you choose to believe and which you choose not to believe? But since you asked for it, here it is. I don't even have to leave the chapter you started with.


[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

[10] He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
[11] He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

[14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
[15] John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
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[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
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[4] And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
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[56] Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
[57] Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
[58] Jesus said unto them, Verily,verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
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[16] I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
[17] And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
[18] For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
[19] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
[20] He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
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I may or may not return to this thread, but keep in mind that it's not me you're disagreeing with. Trust no man, just follow his word. My judgment of you doesn't matter cause it's him you will have to answer to. Take care :thumbsup:

[JunkYard]

The reason I didn't back it up with scripture is because you claimed that some of it is BS. How do I know which you choose to believe and which you choose not to believe? But since you asked for it, here it is. I don't even have to leave the chapter you started with.



[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

[10] He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
[11] He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

[14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
[15] John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

Yup, I knew exactly what you would post, and I almost did it for you. I know John pretty well, and would agree with everything he says. Only, "word", or Logos as it is written in Greek can be translated into "mind of God", or "essence". As a matter of fact, this translation has been recorded as being the first ever used. If God is the source of Love then his essence must also be Love, only Jesus contained his full essence, which is evident in his testimony. Jesus never claimed to be God, but rather the son of God born of God's Spirit [essence] Also, he never demanded worship, or said it nescessary to view him as God to save, either. I think it's a little high minded of you to say that only those who worship Jesus as God will be saved. Not to mention unbiblical...
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B]All scripture[/B] is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
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[4] And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

I agree with this also, but "bread" represents flesh to me, and "word" simply means by Gods Essence according to first recorded use of Logos, which is Love. [According to 1 John] Jesus was quite clear about Love, PTS, so was John. But, you have your own views/opinions and I suppose they are as valid as any other.

Btw, the Bible wasn't even put together back then. They only had random scriptures that they could read. Even so, never does any scripture EVER suggest that it is innerant, it only suggests that it is inspired. The Bible is not the word of God, sorry. Too many put more faith in a book then they do God, and I find it sad, and unnescessary.
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[56] Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
[57] Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
[58] Jesus said unto them, Verily,verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Right here, for those of you watching this post, PTS is suggesting that Jesus is God in the flesh, as oppossed to being his son born of God's Spirit. Christ or "Cristos" simply means annointed one, and I have not disputed this claim. Jesus' "divinity" came from God's Spirit, but Jesus was not God himself, imo. To much in the Bible refutes this claim, and this view didn't even come to be until the 1800's. No doubt because of this "I Am" remark...

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If you're wondering why I deleted your Revelation section, it's because I choose to take absolutely NOTHING from it, nor add to it...
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I may or may not return to this thread, but keep in mind that it's not me you're disagreeing with. Trust no man, just follow his word. My judgment of you doesn't matter cause it's him you will have to answer to. Take care :thumbsup:

Exactly, PTS...trust no man! Follow his word which is the essence of God, and exactly what Jesus did. Did he teach with scripture? Yes, but only the commandents, and showed us a higher road than eye for an eye.

In your previous post you said Love is "nice" and stuff. Well, yes it is, but it is also a "light" in the darkness, and the darkness doesn't see it. Jesus manifested that light in his life, and he died because mankind was not ready to succumb to it, or hear it. Yet, his Spirit [given by God] lives on and some do find it.

On a side note: If God is Love like 1 John says, and you believe Jesus was God, then wouldn't it be logical to view Jesus as Love as well? That's the way I view him, man...



Love,