GOD IS EVIL OR Not allpowerful

[thcbongman]

God is supposed to be this mighty entity able to create anything o.o he could do anything create a planet, Create life or do w/e

Now we look at the facts

God is all powerful?

God can see all the evil in the world he has the power to do something about it so he chooses not too so we look at it this way

God doesn't care/Meaning he could careless about the human race

God can't do anything/ Meanings he's not all powerful

God doesn't exist/ Meaning no one can do anything cuz god doesn't exist


now one of those statements is true. I mean would he rather let us fix the world? and possible destroy it in the process, how can he not do anything to something he created. Thats like us not trying to protect our child. anyway o.o I dun want to start a huge debate these are not my thoughts I mearly read about them and posted them for a second prespective on the subject.

Ps: forgive my grammer I'm rather tired...

"You find god, the moment you realize you don't need to find god
We exist, all of this, this is all god, we are everything
This is the kingdom, we are the people, so open your doors and breathe in deeply"

All those statements have a stint of truth to it. People are apathetic to change unless a "mystical" event occurs. But each person has the ability to be good, to change for the better. It's all up to each individual because we are apart of god.

[harris7]

we did a problem like this in my logic class that is worded better than what he said.

you really messed this up, that paradox is like this.

according to many people's beliefs, god is all knowing all powerful and all good.

god is either not all good, not all knowing, or not all powerful.

because bad things happen. if he were all knowing he would be aware of all the bad things in the world, if he were all good he would fix all the bad things he saw, if he were all powerful hed have the ability.

so, since bad things happen, he either isnt aware of all of them(not all knowing), is aware of them and chooses to ignore some(well lets be honest most) of them (not all good), or he is aware of all of it, wants to do something about it, but cant (not all powerful). there for he is either not one of the three or doesnt exist.

i do not believe in this one way or the other, i dont really think the existence of god and religion is something you can really be sure of one way or the other. sure you c an say you are, but how can you be certain of something you have no proof for. but then how else did the universe get here, im familiar with the big bang theory, but what caused that? so i believe in some higher power, but i think the rest of organized religion is bullshit. my point is i dont see how we can have devout atheists or devout christians.

now that said, i hope none of the people posting here are the same people that when defending weed say god put it here for a reason so it must be good. based on what ive read ill assume they are not those types. well bringing religion, something that cannot be proven, into any serious argument is a bad point either way

yes it is called the problem of evil I put a link to it above

[Cage]

Does evil even exist, or is evil just a word to describe what we [mankind] find unpleasant, or immoral, or what seems unacceptable in civilized society?

I question wether the concept of evil is even valid, as it's a purely subjective thing, dependent upon our personal perceptions.

Everything just is, as its always been, and until we [mankind] look at ourselves, and stop pointing fingers at God, I don't think we will ever truly embrace that which is good for humanity, and for society.

God isn't evil, if he exist at all, he/she is a teacher above all else...allowing us [mankind] to experiece the unpleasant, so we might learn from our mistakes, and the mistakes of others.

It would seem that mankind is very thick headed, though. Either that, or we're too dumb to realize the consequences of our actions.

We're so busy trying to convince others that we're right, be it about religion, the existence of God, or what have you, we neglect the very thing that unifies. (Love)

I think the hippies [mostly] had it right....



Make Love Not War!

[CheebaMan]

God did not create sin, sin came with the devil

Hail Mr.BoB

[Cage]

UnitedWeFall , I agree with most of what you said, only I'm not so sure about there being only perfect good in an afterlife. Humans are pretty fucked up creatures, and I doubt a mind change of that magnitude is possible when we die.

What I think, is that the earth will become exactly what mankind chooses to make it...a heaven, or a hell. This is our fate...the fate of mankind as a species. Not some afterlife, imo. Although, I can't argue the possibility of an afterlife, I just don't think it will be 'perfect' if there is one.

Much Love,

[Cage]

No, I don't believe in hell, either, nor do I believe in a perfect heaven. As a matter of fact, I question wether there's an after life at all. The earth is our home, and this is where mankind will make their stand.

I don't know what happens when we die, and I don't really think it's important. What's important is how we choose to live the life we have, and how we contribute to our survival as a species. That's my view, anyway. I know many poeple feel strongly about religious belief, and I won't step on toes, or try to convince them differently. I just want to help make the world a safe, and pleasant place for my children, and grandchildren, etc....

The after will take care of itself, right?

[Masta Stuff]

God did not create sin, sin came with the devil

Hail Mr.BoB

God Created the Devil, Thus created sin no Devil No sin.

[Cage]

Yeah, I think a lot of people take the Bible too literally. It would seem to me that if there is no Devil, it would make it easier for man to contend with evil, and such.

That way we're not fighting against some demonic entity, we're just fighting against ourselves, and our own desires, which should allow us to look in ourselves, as opposed to pointing fingers and exclaiming "The Devil made me do it", lol!

(Something all too common among the religious folk)

In essence, when you credit the Devil for creating/causing Evil, you give him power over self, which can be quite foolish, if you ask me.

Much Love,

[orangeman]

If you read the Bible you'd know he gave Satan the power to control this earth for 1,000 years (In God's time, not ours). He is a loyal being, why would he go back on his word. Of course it's painful, he's probably fed up with the evilness to the max but once he does something he can't go back on his word. In the end rather it's real or not we will all see. So I say let's just wait and see .

[Cage]

If you read the Bible you'd know he gave Satan the power to control this earth for 1,000 years (In God's time, not ours). He is a loyal being, why would he go back on his word. Of course it's painful, he's probably fed up with the evilness to the max but once he does something he can't go back on his word. In the end rather it's real or not we will all see. So I say let's just wait and see .

Good point, but not everyone believes in a literal "Satan" Some say mankind is satan, some say the church, others say differnt things. The point is that no one knows for sure, and there is much debate over the subject.

The Bible actually states that God creates evil. I think it's somewhere in Isaiah. (Isaiah 45:7) Evil is from the hebrew word "Ra" which means many things, but most assume it means calamity in the passage I'm talking about.

As for me, I have no opinion on Satan, only that I don't believe he bends my will to do his bidding. I'm in control of what I do, just as everyone else is. The Devil has no power over me, you, her, him, as he is not an Evil entity set to destroy all good, imo.

I think the Bible suggests that Satan is simply an accuser, but I'm not cetain on that point.

So yes, lets wait and see, as its not very beneficial to bicker about things like this, lol! If you want to believe that satan makes you do what you do, then so be it. If you want to take responsibility for your own actions, then great, but I see no point in blaming God [who might not exist at all] for the evil in the world...

Sometime, mankind will have to take responsibity. If not, I'm afraid our state of affairs will end in extinction.


Much Love,