To the science majors/scientists/science geeks out there...

[andruejaysin]

Wavelength of light determines it's color, not it's age. I think maybe you're refering to light which comes from distant stars having a downshift in wave length do to the fact those stars are moving away from us more rapidly than close (in relative terms) stars. The same affect can be observed listening to the sound of a car as it approachs and then passes you. This is called the doppler affect.

[CJBHM52]

the light thing is lightyears. its how far light travels in a year. i dont know how far it is but light travels at 300000000 m/s or somethin around there. so if we were seeing 6 billion light year old light, that means that it was emitted 6 billion years ago or you could say there was a real big bang about 6 billion years ago. and you are asking everyone for "scientific evidence" because youre a scientist, but wheres your scientific evidence? so you told us how dna works or whatever. that doesnt prove what youre sayin. and if you think, if there was really that big of a bang, how many little pieces would come flyin out of there just like earth. and all of those little pieces have been around for 6 billion years. id say theres a good chance that on at least one of those little pieces, everything just happened to fall in order. cause the probability is pretty small. but is it really smaller than 1/(# of pieces from big bang) and evolution is pretty amazing too.

[andruejaysin]

Light travels 186,000 miles per second.

[Reefer Rogue]

Agnosticism ftw.

[Inferius]

Agnosticism ftw.

hell yes.

[souldistortion]

You have been making a solid point throughout, Fuego. And I've been following this thread since earlier. I'm very tired tonight and very emotionally exhausted, which means I'm not really even smart enough to reply with any skill. But what speaks to me--and don't anyone feel the need to argue here; this is just me expressing what I've been thinking as I've been pondering the miracles of biochem and life and molecules and DNA Fuego referenced--is that it makes me very happy to think about the mysteries of the scientific/biochemical universe having had a designer. I'm fully aware that this is likely just me wanting to make sense of something I can't understand. It's also me struggling spiritually right now because of life-and-death circumstances in my life. But I find the idea of a grand design a comforting and pleasing thought. I who was raised to be a doubter and a questioner, a don't-believe-it-till-it's-proven empiricist, and, essentially, a heathen.

When I look at cells and cell division. When I look at how genetic information makes us into what we are. When I look at adenine, guanine, cytosine and thymine and how they work together to build people. When I consider human reproduction from haploid and diploid chromosomes to conception to birth. It pleases me to think of these wonderful things as being part of a grand plan, whether I truly buy that intellectually or not. On an emotional/spiritual level, it gives me peace right now.

I've followed you well, Fuego, and I'm glad you had the nerve to stay with this. I'll probably get flamed clear out into next month by the hard-shell scientists. But I know why you think this way about biochem because I do the same thing. Whether we're right or not isn't going to be something we'll ever figure out. I'm sure of that. But I still like thinking about it all.

Keep up the science study, Fuego. I'm glad you wrote this thread. I've enjoyed it.

straight from the most intelligent, logical, and well educated person on this site. im laughing my ass off. im so highh.

[psychocat]

I am certain of one thing :
Those that believe they have all the answers are simply deluding themselves and to never question is to die.

[iwantFUEGO]

This is crazy...

i should have never posted this... people are jumping down my throat accusing me of saying things i didnt.

your attempts to shut me down by placing words in my mouth isnt working.

Im not trying to PROVE anything... anyone who read all my posts would know that very clearly.

Ive reiterated myself almost 7 times throughout the whole thread and im not going to do it again.

Oh and if there was a bing bang.... explain to me... mr genius.... how light is traveling towards us? That was a ridiculous statement that wasnt thought out, because, if everything flew out of one point...then light would only be traveling out.

What we see is the light traveling towards us from distants stars that are traveling in all different directions for whatever reason (explosions, gravity....since theres no matter to cause friction in space).

Birdgirl is very educated you are right... laugh all you want the truth is you know very little about biology or else I am positive that you would atleast accept what is being said here.

What makes us so special?? why arent there organisms that have adapted to survive on mars or even saturn?? they've been around for "billions of years" also... they've had plenty of time also.

This was never meant to be an arguement.... or i woulda posted it in a different forum..
You all need to really take a moment and think about what im trying to say. Read a little about genetics if you have to. Learn a couple things about microbiology and then youll realize that a cell (which is composed of ONLY atoms and no brain) performs all its cellular functions because of one reason.. The PHYSICS of what is made out of.

Now your trying to me tell that you think that our matter wasnt designed to work this way?
It just happened by chance??? =\

[iwantFUEGO]

Agnosticism ftw.

I am not agnostic at all... Thats a perfect example of someone who cant think outside the box

it doesnt have to be either or... possibilities are endless as ive been explaining.

[Reefer Rogue]

I am not agnostic at all... Thats a perfect example of someone who cant think outside the box

it doesnt have to be either or... possibilities are endless as ive been explaining.

It's pretty obvious you're not agnostic =/

I can think outside the box plenty.

You know what else is endless? The debate on whether god exists, it can't be proven, so why dwell. You obviously posted your original post for a reason, what that may be, only you know. I think you posted it to at least try and convince someone, or else what's the point? You're not convincing me though. Learn all the microbiology you want, preach it to whomever you choose, but if people don't agree with you, then you should just accept it.

Now, back to cannabis smoking