To the science majors/scientists/science geeks out there...

[iwantFUEGO]

A math teacher from my youth once sidelined his discussion on theroy vs. law to ponder the thought of taking all the parts of a fine swiss watch and placing them into a large shoebox and then shake.....Now how long before all those parts fall into place and you have a working watch???????

I think this is what your getting at...is it possible for the watch (life) to assemble itself through random movements...perhaps, but more likely to have been put together.....Well at least I would not shake a box for billions of years just to see what time it is........

WOW thats fucking awesome! thankyou this makes it much easier for me now.

basically the watch will NOT assemble itself inside the shoebox, obviously, same thing goes for life.

What I'm saying is not that life does not assemble itself, because it does. There are many parts or biological life that self assemble (such as viruses).

Viruses are made of DNA (or RNA) and a protein capsule. If you throw all those ingredients into a test tube... you will have viruses my friend, its a fact thats been proven.

Many other proteins that our bodies sythesize also self assemble. The reason they self assemble (and the reason ANYTHING happens on this earth) is simply because of the PHYSICS of the elements.

Now think about how many chemical systems make up your body...

Done thinking?

If you thought of EVERYTHING, then you are right. The elements present on this earth have been designed to follow certain rules.
Then, based on these rules, WHOLE BIOLOGICAL SYSTEMS exist, such as hormones.


I'm frustrated because its hard to explain, and it doesnt do it justice to only give one example. EVERYTHING that goes on in your body, and EVERYTHING that makes up your body is made of elements that opperate a certain way because they must follow rules.

Now tell me we werent designed by someone or something.
Now tell me that we all happened by accident.

[iwantFUEGO]

Since I am a chemist you really are taking a lot for granted.
You miss the point .
The simple limitations of our own abilities make it impossible to accept that we cannot answer some very basic questions.
OK scientist tell me (NO THEORIES ONLY FACTS WILL BE ACCEPTED)

What wiped out the dinosaurs?
What is real ?
How many different species are there on this planet ? Don't forget new ones are discovered all the time .
Why do people feel they need to believe that some force created us and everything ?
Why couldn't we all be figments of our own imagination ?
Why couldn't we simply have popped into existence?
Maybe you would know if you were insane and imagining everything and maybe you would be so deluded that you believed what was in your mind but in reality it could all be a dream.

Get where I'm coming from yet ??
Science can't, nor do I believe it ever will be able to answer all questions.
Our human limits make us prone to mistakes and on numerous occasions science has had to admit to getting it wrong.

dinosaurs could have died from anything, just like something could easily kill all humans tommorow...

All different species come from mutations in genetic material, which by the way, is very universal across all species.

You cant just be a chemist.... you have to apply your chemistry knowledge.

[flamingskullballs]

basically the watch will NOT assemble itself inside the shoebox, obviously, same thing goes for life.

oh no, it will

EVERYTHING has a chance

there is even a chance that it will assemble itself on the first shake

[MFer]

^True, but that chance is so insignificantly small it's basically popped out of existance.

[iwantFUEGO]

There is no chance about it...

Molecules interact with eachother because of their electronegative/electropositive qualities. Just think of a magnet...only think of all different kinds of magents that you can assemble together to make even more specific magnets that only bind to certain magnets...

Now take that idea, and multiply it by 1,000,000... and you now have modern biochemistry.

Yea, that shit definately happened by chance.

[Inferius]

^True, but that chance is so insignificantly small it's basically popped out of existance.

Not true, it's called infinity and every single moment of it every possibility is rolling it's dice.
The watch obviously fell into place eventually, and here we are.
If the doors of perception were cleaned,
everything would appear
as it is- infinite.
-William Blake

[iwantFUEGO]

Not true, it's called infinity and every single moment of it every possibility is rolling it's dice.
The watch obviously fell into place eventually, and here we are.
If the doors of perception were cleaned,
everything would appear
as it is- infinite.
-William Blake

Everybody keeps trying to prove me wrong with some theoretical statement.

Were talking about science people. Shit has been proven and explained.

Sheesh... this isnt the book of proverbs...

There is no "dice rolling" that has to do with biochemistry.

[chris420]

Einstein believed that everything in this physical life is predictible by the calculation of various factors that we cannot put into consideration due to our limited senses, even rolling dices. ''God never plays at dice"
Chance is absolute, there are no impossibilities.

[souldistortion]

Because of this website and movie... http://www.privilegedplanet.com/ I now believe in a god.

It gives irrefutable evidence on how privileged the planet earth is. and how minute the chance is, that a planet with the specifications of earth, really is.

After watching it, I was blown away... truly, blown away. I didn't even know 90% of the shit on there. The way the earths gravitational field PERFECTLY shields us from some of the largest meteors in cosmic history just blew me away. and SO SO SO MUCH more.

Design is all around us. Look at your hands and fingers, DNA etc. Look at horses for instance. You going to tell me that that was not designed for a human being to use. Perfect bone structure to support human weight. To say that everything came about by random chance just seems even more and more stupid to me every day that i live my life.

Its also kinda funny that the only place in the universe that a solar eclipse is visible... is the only place that there are observers. For some reason our Earthly location is extraordinarily well suited to allow us to peer into the heavens and discover its secrets.

"God is NOT Imaginary. It takes true faith to KNOW God.

Most people must see to believe, true visionaries believe to see"

It actually doesent take much "faith" to know god at all. I mean, if there is just pure evidence in front of my face, especially scientific, ill have "faith" for sure.

[psychocat]

So you are saying that chaos has order and there are no chances so therefore how can you know wether what you are doing is choice or preordained and if it's preordained then everything is already decided?

You fail to see your own inadequate statements really only enhance the idea in my mind that you aren't grasping the possibility of anything other than what you "believe".

Step outside and get the big picture of how insignificant you and all humans are.

More questions....

How does it feel to be a cat ?
What are ghosts ?
How long is a piece of string ?

Who cares ?

Live life don't try to believe you or anyone will ever know everything.