According to the bible, no man can say that Jesus Christ is LORD without the Holy Spirit. Obviously anyone can say it and many do, but the teaching is that no man can know that Jesus is LORD unless they have the Holy Spirit. :jointsmile:

Now of course, if we say that Jesus Christ is LORD we mean that he is God and Father of all things. There is only ONE LORD. Jesus Christ is our God and Father. It's very clear in scripture that Jesus is our Father, so what does that make his father to us? Our grandfather?

Once again, you need to understand son of man/Son of God to understand God. :jointsmile:

"Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God."

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

"He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil."

Who was manifested? God or the Son of God? If the Son of God was not God himself, the scriptures contradict,
but we know that isn't the case cause his word is true.