Quote Originally Posted by Vancefish

Plus MANY who admittedly don't believe in ANY "god".

We are left with MEN who believe us inferior to them. Since they believe THEY can take our rights (because we believe god doesn't even exist, thus MEN gave us our rights).

THEY HAVE, AND THEY WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO!!
I don't think belief in any god is a prerequisite to treating other humans as equal. The folks who didn't consider blacks, native Americans, women, and poor folks as "human" as you put it, were devoutly religious in most cases.

Quote Originally Posted by Vancefish
This however is NOT a racial issue or thread. Turning it into one does not add to this thread about if "GOD" exists or not.
So who is turning into a racial issue?!?

Quote Originally Posted by Vancefish
Point is and always was,.. If "god" (any definition) doesn't exist. Then a MAN gave you your human rights. Thus a MAN (or government) can take them away. They can even do it "constitutionally", because if you have no god, you have no rights under law.
I don't agree. I have the right to as decent of a life as I can make for myself just by existing. Doesn't mean I won't find my rights violated whether I'm a believer or not.