Why God does not exist, in one sentence.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Are you saying that the entire bible is one story with one witness?

Certainly not! The bible, if I remember correctly, is a collection of 40 stories and there's many beyond that in scriptures such as the dead sea scrolls. I was only questioning the number of witnesses in the one story of Jesus's resurrection, in response to your claim that it had multiple witnesses.

Cause there were many different men who testified of God from different generations and so there are MANY witnesses who say the same thing.

Many different men did testify from many different generations. But these men all held a geographically and culturally similar belief in god. For instance there about 40-50 different authors who have written Star Wars novels (which I read as a teenager) that all tie into the same story line, all of which affect the other. I wouldn't say this affects the plausibility of Star Wars though.

Are they all lying?They're either telling the truth or they are telling lies. There is no gray area. Something is either true or it's not.

Something is either true or not, you're absolutely right. But why must every truth or falsehood be from a lie or a truth? Consider the Hindu's who believe(d) in several dieties, the greeks who believed on Poseidon the god of the sea, the Viking's who believe in Thor the blacksmith of the gods. Where all these religions lying? Of course not, they were genuinly mistaken in some cases, and in other cases these mythologies have a long and complex process over which they develope.

Many stories in the bible (if not all) have almost matching versions already existing in now-extinct ancient religions. It's more than plausible that these stories were believed by those who held them, altered them a bit to fit into the bible, and continued the tradition.

God is true!

For you he undoubtedly is. But not for me, sorry.

[Quantummist]

This thread is getting close to being closed. Remember to respect each other and not to attack each other.

Quantummist, I only have one contact in so I might be missing something but you are standing out so this is your warning. Watch what you say about other religions and other members here. You are new to the forum so I hope you have read Psycho4Bud's sticky on respect in this forum.


Don't make me have to come back in here.

Ok.. i'm not too much for political correctness so I'll take my leave of the thread.. It was fun but note that Watching out what one says about religions is why some towers fell .. Too many so don't want to upset the apple cart until its too late and the wheels fall off.. It seems fine for religions to tell me and everyone else is gona die in a fires pit and wrath will befall all us heathens but when those views are responded too we must be tolerant..

Guess we have to wait till the next 100,000 die until thats understood..

So folks have fun and enjoy..

I'm outa here...

[Nailhead]

I know God does not exist because for the past few years I considered myself a Christian, wasn't nutty or anything, just tried to be decent to others and all that jazz. After years of prayers not being answered, I've finally come to the realization that God only exists in our mind. It's given me a new look at religion, as a popular form of schizophrenia.

I know there are people out there that will defend their religion with everything they have, and the reason really just boils down to people not being able to accept death. It is very hard for humans to accept nothingness after they die, so as history has shown, humans have created fantastic stories about what happens after life, and religion is the guide on how to achieve that everlasting life. Of course religion can also be used to control people, after all, humans love to control others, but the primary drive to believe these fantastic stories that have absolutely no evidence of being true is from each person's inability to accept the nothing that comes after we die.

But what do I know, I'm just an atheist sinner that will burn forever right? lol I don't really care if that's what you believe, but every religious person should question their own beliefs more often. There are too many religious people that try so hard to push a religion they don't even really fully understand themselves onto others, it's ridiculous!

God bless you all!

[Pass That Shit]

Certainly not! The bible, if I remember correctly, is a collection of 40 stories and there's many beyond that in scriptures such as the dead sea scrolls. I was only questioning the number of witnesses in the one story of Jesus's resurrection, in response to your claim that it had multiple witnesses.



Many different men did testify from many different generations. But these men all held a geographically and culturally similar belief in god. For instance there about 40-50 different authors who have written Star Wars novels (which I read as a teenager) that all tie into the same story line, all of which affect the other. I wouldn't say this affects the plausibility of Star Wars though.



Something is either true or not, you're absolutely right. But why must every truth or falsehood be from a lie or a truth? Consider the Hindu's who believe(d) in several dieties, the greeks who believed on Poseidon the god of the sea, the Viking's who believe in Thor the blacksmith of the gods. Where all these religions lying? Of course not, they were genuinly mistaken in some cases, and in other cases these mythologies have a long and complex process over which they develope.

Many stories in the bible (if not all) have almost matching versions already existing in now-extinct ancient religions. It's more than plausible that these stories were believed by those who held them, altered them a bit to fit into the bible, and continued the tradition.




For you he undoubtedly is. But not for me, sorry.

Your entitled to your opinion, you own it! :jointsmile:

[Pass That Shit]

I know God does not exist because for the past few years I considered myself a Christian, wasn't nutty or anything, just tried to be decent to others and all that jazz. After years of prayers not being answered, I've finally come to the realization that God only exists in our mind. It's given me a new look at religion, as a popular form of schizophrenia.

I know there are people out there that will defend their religion with everything they have, and the reason really just boils down to people not being able to accept death. It is very hard for humans to accept nothingness after they die, so as history has shown, humans have created fantastic stories about what happens after life, and religion is the guide on how to achieve that everlasting life. Of course religion can also be used to control people, after all, humans love to control others, but the primary drive to believe these fantastic stories that have absolutely no evidence of being true is from each person's inability to accept the nothing that comes after we die.

But what do I know, I'm just an atheist sinner that will burn forever right? lol I don't really care if that's what you believe, but every religious person should question their own beliefs more often. There are too many religious people that try so hard to push a religion they don't even really fully understand themselves onto others, it's ridiculous!

God bless you all!

Just curious, what's to fear if we're gonna fade into nothingness? If there's no pain afterwards, why would we fear death? No pain after death would still be better than the pain we suffer down here, so it would still be an upgrade in my opinion. Just sharing cause I don't believe out of fear of fading into nothingness. I believe cause I feel it's true. Peace! :jointsmile:

[Nailhead]

Just curious, what's to fear if we're gonna fade into nothingness? If there's no pain afterwards, why would we fear death? No pain after death would still be better than the pain we suffer down here, so it would still be an upgrade in my opinion. Just sharing cause I don't believe out of fear of fading into nothingness. I believe cause I feel it's true. Peace! :jointsmile:

Its not that people are afraid of it, it's that they can't comprehend non-existence. This is why throughout time humans have always created some sort of religion to deal with death. It's not so much that they are afraid of nothingness, but that their brain just cannot accept life to end for good when their heart stops beating. This is why so many people cling to the thought of an afterlife, they might not be involved with any particular religion, but they can't accept the thought of life, supernatural as well as physical, to come to an end.

This is also why people talk about burning for all eternity when referencing hell, however even the bible doesn't talk about that. The bible clearly says that hell is where you go to die, it never says you have everlasting life in hell, but people add that because they can't accept an end to their life. Fear has nothing to do with it, it's just that the human mind has a hard time comprehending nothing.

It's very easy for us to comprehend nothing before we are alive, but after life gets going and our brain starts functioning, we have a very hard time understanding how all this can come to an end, so rather than accept truth, we make up fantastic stories that make us look at death as only dying in the physical state, but living on in a supernatural. However, I don't believe that is true at all, I don't believe their is any supernatural, no matter how much I want to because it makes for some really great movies, I just don't believe it.

[Pass That Shit]

I believe that we are spiritual beings inside an earthly body. I don't think we will reach our full potential until our change come!
I'm confident and believe whole heartily that there is life after death. Life goes on! :jointsmile:

That's why I say it always comes down to faith. One person will put his/her facts together and consider in their heart what he/she feels is true, and then the next person will come to a completely different conclusion. That's part of life, we are all individuals.
Like the stars of heaven, we all shine differently. Peace!

[Nailhead]

Faith really means being ignorant, and I say this as a person who once had the blind faith that the bible teaches Christians to posses. Blind faith got me nothing but a load of bills I am now struggling to re-pay. Where is God now when I scrape for change to get something to eat? Where is God now when I can't see a doctor because I can't even afford the co-pay? Or even my medicine? Why won't he just cure me like he did to the people in the bible?

The problem with Christians, (I'm using Christians as an example because these are who I know most, though I'm sure the same can be said about many other religions), is that they love to talk about how God will help us if we only sacrifice our earthly possessions and what not, but when somebody goes and does as they tell us to, God is never around when you really need him. So with ignorance, or as some call it, faith, they continue to do as they do waiting for some sort of righteous return on their investment.

The dumbest thing I ever did in my life was having faith, and I feel like such a moron for being so blind! God was so powerful around the times the bible was written, that is, back when record keeping technology was nothing more than telling and re-telling the story to your grandkids, but now he seems to have taken a backseat while the world falls apart, why is that? Where was God and his oh so awesome power when those Korean Christians were captured by terrorists, killing two of them? If God had the power to protect them, why didn't he use it?

Doesn't it seem odd to you that the stories from the bible talk about great powers being done in front of a lot of people, but now, God seems to only be active in people's personal lives, rather than making his presence known like he did back in the day?

[Pass That Shit]

You need to ask yourself, did you really have faith?

He has made his presence known, and he will make his presence known! :jointsmile:

Isn't it easy to blame him for all the wrong in your life?

[mfqr]

I know they are not metaphors. Neither is judgment day. I believe that God is righteous in his judgments. The lake of fire is also a reality, not a metaphor. Just for the record, I'm not saying that you're going there, cause I wouldn't know, just pointing out that the Lord is coming to judge the earth in righteousness! :jointsmile:

And by the way, you left out the biggest one of all. When God judged the earth with water, everyone perished except Noah and his family. Yes, I still feel he is a righteous judge.

So, if you cursed at your mother or father for any reason, you think it would be righteous for you to be put to death over it? That's not righteousness, that's insanity, my friend. A benevolent, righteous God would not demand people to be put to death over such trivial and simple matters. It's completely ridiculous, and it's even harder for me to believe that you'd support such a thing than believing in a God. You must not be much of a moral christian...

I find your mindset on this pretty strange. "Well, God said that is how it is to be, so it must be right, even if it means chopping people up into small pieces over things that can be solved in a non-violent way." Clearly, if God is so powerful, and has infinite intelligence, he should be able to come up with a plan other than killing innocent people. Sounds quite malevolent. But I guess religious people can't understand it. I've seen on youtube people posting a line something like "Those who do not believe in God will be blinded to the teachings of the Bible," or something like that. That's obviously just a self-defense of the Bible, to throw at non-believers, saying that they are blinded, and don't understand because they don't believe in it. Well, how I see it, it's quite the opposite. Those who believe in the Bible cannot see the completely ridiculous things in it, and the complete irrationality and repulsiveness of the bible. I mean no disrespect by saying this, I'm just saying it. I agree with Quantummist, religion is rather dangerous to mankind...