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[pisshead]

yeah, slaves were disarmed in this country and in rome. roman slaves needed their 'papers' to go from place to place, as did slaves in this country, as did native americans at one point...

rulers only want a disarmed citizenry so they can control them more effectively and track and trace them.

this used to be called tyranny, but today we call it freedom.

this is shown in history time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time again.

people like to forget history, mostly because they aren't taught it.

[Kombucha]

I don't hate guns, and in some ways it is your right to do whatever you want. But realistically you can't always do what you want.
In the same way, sure its more freedom to be allowed to drive at whatever speed you want through roads with schools in or whatever, but is it not worth forfeiting that right to ensure the safety of others?

Do you not see that if no one has guns, chances are you aren't going to need a gun to protect yourself with one?

If someone attacks you with a gun unless you have it in a holster on you how can you protect yourself with it? You could leave it lying around and easy to get to if you need it (although chances are it still wont help) then children can get hold of it easily.

I'm sure some people can responsibly use guns, but others don't. I think possibly a bigger danger than criminals with guns is paranoid people waving guns around anxious to protect themselves. Just about anyone can get a gun if they really want it.

It seems to me that you want to be able to own guns more as a matter of principle than anything else. Is that really the most important thing?

Pisshead, maybe some governments in history might have disarmed citizens for their own reasons but do you really think the American government has any evil deeds planned at home? Sure they might cause World War Three and destroy the planet and all of mankind but they wouldn't directly hurt Americans.

[pisshead]

uhhh, i most certainly know for a fact that the government has evil deeds planned for right here.

go to my thread called 'most of alex jones videos...' it's on page 3.

watch road to tyranny, and you'll see foreign troops working with our troops and police to round people up and put them in camps as they scream, "no, i'm a citizen, i have rights..."

and troops searching peoples' cars. we're being trained to accept martial law. and it will happen after another attack or 2.

when you look at the model state emergency health powers act and the anti terror and effective death penalty act and the homeland security act and the patriot act, or when you read official government documents or army war college reports, they tell you the evil things they have planned.

then they also know that 99% of people aren't going to read that stuff.

but watch that video if you want to. are you serious when you say they'll start world war III and not hurt us? are you kidding? look at the treatment of the troops with gulf war illness, or the tuskegee experiment, or the forced vaccination plans and the links to neurological disorders and the slush funds to protect the government from any wrongdoing with vaccinations.

i could talk for hours and hours and hours, hundreds of hours probably on the atrocities of the american government against their own people.

giving up our guns to them would be stupid. look at chicago. since a gun ban, crime and murder rates have skyrocketed. taking guns away from people doesn't protect them. it makes them more susceptible to crime. why on earth would you not want to be able to protect yourself from someone who wants to hurt you.

guns are used far more often for protection than to kill. they save millions of lives a year. sure, some people shouldn't be able to have them, but why punish everyone for 1 person's wrongdoing?

[Kombucha]

Is it really a punishment to lose guns. What I'm saying is, if NO ONE had guns, they wouldn't need to save any lives because the chances of someone pulling a gun on you would be tiny.

It works very well in the UK.

In Chicago the gun ban will be a bad thing as criminals can just get their guns from just out of town and bring them in to the city. However, if the whole country had a gun ban it would be a lot better. Would you not like to live without fear of getting shot? Just having a gun wont stop you getting shot most of the time unless you shoot them first. And chances are you wont because you wont know they're gonna attack until they have.

Anyway about the government, I don't think they plan to damage America, I think they probably just see it as fair that they can take some people's freedom and lives in exchange for what they see as the greater good. I'm sure there are some kinds of conspiracies but I don't think they are that extreme. Anyway, what good would having a gun do you in such a situation. Do you want to get into a firefight with trained (if badly) soldiers and apaches?