i got a boy who can roll a really nice long skinny pinner, that rips forever. i use phillies and swishers most of the time, but sometimes like tonight, the store i went to didnt have either, so i had to get a dutch master but it was only 50 cents which i thought was coo. i dont really like dutch's though because of the one closed end they got, i can roll them nice tho, but alot of dutchs ive rolled came apart at about 1/4 left of the blunt. actual wraps are nice too! perfect for a nice cone :rasta: :rasta: