i dont think they degrade shit, i think they prove there are still some smokers who who are unwilling to look past ignorance and perverts. i really dont know what could degrade smokers more than talking about nothing but beating it and how they are rising above stereotypes and are so much better e than everyone else. i am through talking about this now, will stop spreadin the hate and aggression, but please stop acting like the things i said were unwarranted, i have trouble putting up with that shit.