Quote Originally Posted by Krogith
Sorry if you feel hes not there. God does exsist and he would want you to seek him out and he would give you something to make sence of him. The Bible makes perfect sence, and science has proven it right.
lol, "science has proven it". Well you can't really prove whether or not a lot of the stories happened. But I suppose the "scientific proof" (a term a lot of people here use thinking it makes their argument solid) would be consistencies in biblical stories, like the fish skeletons found on top of mountains coinciding with Noah's Arc. Problem is, this "scientific proof" only exists because christians choose to interpret these vague pieces of evidence. Like if there's a flood: "see, noah had a flood! We just proved there was a flood! That proves noah's arc is true!" (rather than just assuming that geographical changes have happened naturally and there are solid geological explanations as to how they happened). I've seen no evidence "proving" the bible right that isn't vague enough to also coincide with continental drift, natural geographical changes, evolutionary processes, and many more.

Why would you choose another path?
Because I choose to believe in reality rather than the nicest idea. The only way humanity will one day create the world we need, is by figuring it out ourselves.


Your understanding of life is going to get you somewhere? All of our Human race has died and doesn't come back. So why do you want to belive Humans?
And your understanding of life is going to get your somewhere I can't go? Your argument works under the assumption that you're already right, rather than making the point of why you are right.

I don't believe "humans", I believe my own logic. and humans are the ones who invented religion anyway.

What proof do you have that he does not exsist?
If you even heard the proof, would you actually convert? I don't think so.
Regardless, the burden of proof falls on the person making the claim. and don't try to spin the logic into "but you're claming he doesn't exist". The world we live in without god is directly visible, detectable, and repeatable. The world that exists with a god looking over us is a claim, a concept, an explanation to what we can't yet understand. I don't have to prove something doesn't exist anymore than I'd have to prove the invisble flying spagetti monster doesn't exist. I can't prove ANYTHING that doesn't exist, doesn't exist. The only logical "proof" that's needed is for the existence of what you're claiming does exist.


And what facts do you have to to suport that you are the most advanced thing and this ( life ) is it?
I'm not sure what you mean by "the most advanced thing", but I didn't really say anything to that effect. but again, I don't need to prove that his life is it, and it very well may carry on in one form or another. But if you're going to claim that life exists beyond death, it's up to you to back up that claim, not for me to just disprove everything anybody can conjure up before it's considered logically invalid.

When you know that you can not prove the bible wrong, what makes you choose otherwise?
There are plenty of flaws in the bible that can be proven wrong. Even so, the bible is just a book of stories. Can you prove the pagan's are wrong? how about the babylonians, egyptians, shintoists, buddhists, hindu's? You can never prove anything wrong when it never existed (this seems to be a repeated theme).


Because you just don;t want to except life as a gift?
I want to know, to the closest possible extent, the true nature of life. I don't believe I'm going to accomplish that believing in dieties.

That you would owe it to God to give him time and apply what he teaches?
Again, trying to prove you're right by already assuming you're right. I don't owe imaginary beings anything. I made my effort, I did my research, and arguement's supporting god have all been lame.


Why do you fight the fact that bible principles would lead you to a better life?
Personally, I think Buddhist principles have led me to a better life. And I tried christian principles for a good 18 years. I have no doubt that christian principles help you life a good life, but it's not for everybody. And besides, believing in something on a moral basis rather than a logical basis, is just wishfull thinking. I wouldn't mind believing that malaria didn't kill millions of people every year, that won't make it so.

You like the world and it's distruction and missery?
No, I'm rather saddened at all the uncessesary suffering that goes on in the world. That doesn't mean believing in some magical man in the sky will make it all better.

You think you know better than what God laid out for you?
STILL making an argument based on the assumption that you're already right. Do you do you seriously believe in something because the concept of your belief would make it right to believe in it? It's incredibly circular logic.

Reject it then. You choose. This is the whole point of life and freewill, We are all chooseing what we want to, or chooseing to follow what God set out for us. Thats the point. Satan started Humans on the corse of Sin, you choose to turn to God, or turn away. But God's plain of a perfect earth FULL of Humans that want to serve him all working in harmony with Jehovah God's rules, Will come and all who choose to not be part of it wont be.
etc etc.... Believe in your god all you want, I'm not crossing over because of stories about this "satan" who goes around tricking people.

Remember everybody, Logic is just the devil whispering in your ear.