Philosophy of GOD

[moorephened]

This thread has gone horribly wrong!

None of the positions here have any philosophical merit.

The reason for this is that there was not given any requirements for what "god" is. As the theologist James F. Ross said "With no description or definition to work from, we will literally fail to know what we are talking about."

The phrase "God exists" is a metaphysical utterance which cannot be true or false. Once it is said that "God exists(or does not exist)" it must be asked "What is it you are claiming existence of"

moorephened Reviewed by moorephened on 10-12-2006. Philosophy of GOD This thread is meant as a continuation/restarting of another thread â??arguments supporting Godâ?¦â?�. The idea of this thread is to have more of a philosophical discussion. With the starting argument: When first presented the idea of God no man should accept it. It is much more reasonable to accept that there is no God than to assume there is. As this is a magical or mystical event and no person should believe this with out reason. So The existence of no God is much more likely Rating: 5

[moorephened]

Imagine if this conversation had taken place:

Bob: â??A Döu existsâ?�

Bill: â??Prove itâ?�

Bob: â??It snowed in Florida yesterday, which is my proofâ?�

Bobâ??s proof is unsatisfactory but much of the blame belongs to Bill. His demand for proof was premature. Before they moved on a Döu should have been defined. (Döu by the way is a word I made up).

In the same sense â??godâ?� must be somewhat defined for a debate about itâ??s existence to take place. Characteristics of a god may include omnipresence (as in Christianity), or transcendence, or anything else but â??godâ?� must be defined to a certain extent.

[MastaChronic]

Nothing has changed. Jesus who was anti-religion has become the cornerstone of almost all religions. He pointed out back then that religion was wrong and that the religious people were not following the Word of God. That they were not following him. They obviously were not following him cause they killed him. So what I'm saying is that nothing has changed about religion being credible. It was never credible in his word. I truly believe in my heart that every organized religion is FALSE. I don't mean to offend anyone, but that's how I feel in my heart. Organized religion is just trying to replicate what the jews did back in the day when they were the chosen people of God. I saw a news clip the other day that showed the oldest standing "church". How fitting that it was a synagogue. All those who claim to be going to church are really going to a synagogue but they just don't know it. Cause the true church is not a building. Well it is, but we are the living stones that make up the church. God dwells in people not in earthly buildings. He doesn't dwell in things made with the hands of man. We are the temple of the "living" god.

As far as those looking for proof that God exists, they are just closing their eyes. Who ever proved that the events in the bible didn't take place? And if they did take place, why don't you believe them? It's not that there's no proof, it's that the testimony of other men is not sufficient for you. You are basically calling all the writers of the scriptures liars without having a single piece of evidence against them. Keep in mind that the testimony of these different men came in different generations. You can believe what you like, but I'm here to defend that the Word of God is in fact the Word of God. And if it truly is the Word of God, who will ever prove him wrong?

These topics never prove anything, it just allows us to share what is in our hearts. I try to share the truth with others, but I don't get bothered if they choose not to believe cause everyone is held accountable for themselves.

dude, if you would look at the history of the bible, you will see that many things have been taken out of it, many things have been added, none of it was written by who it says it was written, the end of the bible, the whatever it is, the end of days or w/e, there was a debate on whether or not to put this guys end of days, or pauls end of days intot he bible, pauls end of days details that jesus will go into hell and free everyone, but the church decided not to use this, stating that if everyone knew that their souls would be free from hell eventually, they would do w/e the they liked, but neither one of the testimonies are true, because they were not written truthfully, they were written as a means to control people, as with everything else in the bible. religion is about control, belief in a higher power is not about control, get it? if everyone in the world thought that when they die, they rot in the ground and they wont get punished for anything the world would be in chaos, thus religion born
im against any god that says he loves me no matter what, but if i dont believe in him he sends me to a place full of fire and smoke and torture.

[Captain Hanks]

I started off life thinking that when chinese people laughed they laughed in a in chinese, i soon found out laughter was a universal language, therefore, I changed my beliefs after I gained new wisdoms

Perfect comeback to the number one post. Keep it coming.

[harris7]

“This thread has gone horribly wrong!

None of the positions here have any philosophical merit.”

I’m goin to half agree. This thread is not perfect, but I have seen some good points made.

Like what was said by “pass that shit”

And if it truly is the Word of God, who will ever prove him wrong?

I agree, only because it is kinda obvious that everone should agree. If god does exist (I admit that it is possible) then yes no one could prove him wrong.

“You are basically calling all the writers of the scriptures liars without having a single piece of evidence against them. Keep in mind that the testimony of these different men came in different generations.”

See I am not calling them liars. I will regretfully relate to science here for only a moment. In any science testimonials are not accepted. This is because of how unreliable they are. They are unreliable because of the huge devation in any population, because of the placebo and other reasons. I will not believe in god because someone said so because
1: how do we know they all weren’t schizophrenics
2: how do we not know there words have been changed in the last 2000 years

This discussion does not need to use the bible for reference or anything like that.
We only need to take the Basic elements of religion and examine it. There is way WAY too much to talk about otherwise.

Now to satisfy moorephened’s correct statement. I shall define god to a Small existent.

I will define God as. A being who does not exist in the physical and a being or agent that is all-good, all-powerful and all-good. Who was never created and who will never die.

[harris7]

Perfect comeback to the number one post. Keep it coming.

No this is not an rebuttal. You are agreeing with me
You changed your beliefs for a reason. Because you met a Chinese person and they didn't laugh in Chinese.

The real question is how did you gain your new wisdom.

[Krogith]

Seeking God out takes effort and you have to be able to admit your wrong, and make corrections.

Applying.

[Jacop]

My religion is hendonic discorian elementism.
Because of the discorian in me my pickyness with vocabulary is ridiculous.
So I refuse to use the termonology of "god" because throughout history it has been blown out of context.
INstead i view the situation in context with all life forms that have electrical energy. Or even Etherical for how ever often that term is mentioned.....
To me i view it as a giant shard made of of nearly infinet smaller shards.
Each life form each world, each spec, each dot in a dimension/plane/w/e all add together, shard by shard, peice by peice, to create the shard that you know.

now if you used the term "god" then i would infer you seek control.
Well the big picture of all those shards is just a giant shard... and if an individual 'god' as you call it is in control then fuck off.
theres to many shards to consider into new factors blah blah blah blah blah...
get over it.
its not that simple.
or is it?
or maby im not tellign you something...
or even better yet....
Maby you dont want to tell yourself something?
i dunno but im ditching this thread i got some reports to write.

[smoke it]

i think that the idea that the universe appeared from nothing, is just as far out as the idea that god appeared from nothing and created the universe. i dont know much about religion, and i dont really care. i want to live the 60 or so years i have left, die, and then figure it out.

then again, to me, all religons are very arrogant. (this is why i dont care for any of them) all say that theyre right, your wrong, and your going to burn in hell forever because you were uneducated and didnt beleive in what we do. if someone could physically prove to me what religon was right, i would convert instantly. but, no one can. people should be able to beleive what they want (and i am very glad that i live in the amazing country that i do, that gives me the right to do something that other people might be killed for doing) so the only thing that really pisses me off about religon is the arrogance. but, every man to his own

[Dutch Masta]

i think that the idea that the universe appeared from nothing, is just as far out as the idea that god appeared from nothing and created the universe. i dont know much about religion, and i dont really care. i want to live the 60 or so years i have left, die, and then figure it out.

then again, to me, all religons are very arrogant. (this is why i dont care for any of them) all say that theyre right, your wrong, and your going to burn in hell forever because you were uneducated and didnt beleive in what we do. if someone could physically prove to me what religon was right, i would convert instantly. but, no one can. people should be able to beleive what they want (and i am very glad that i live in the amazing country that i do, that gives me the right to do something that other people might be killed for doing) so the only thing that really pisses me off about religon is the arrogance. but, every man to his own

Well, thats the problem. From nothing comes nothing, so the only other alternative is that something was always something. That something is believed by many to be "god". However, since we now know that evolution occured, and that man or life was not "created", it leaves any rational person at the conclusion that there is no god. We will never know anything beyond the big bang, and how anything from it got here in the first place and thats probably where it ends.. or at least for a really long time where minimal progress will be made.