:thumbsup: as most readers in these Forums already know, I am an outspoken critic of minors being allowed to even be here, in this website ... HOWEVER, I must come to Orangeman's side on this ... he shows more intellect and education than a LOT of the frequenters here, especially dumbasses that resort to bringing his race into a disagreement ... Orangeman is a respectful, polite, and helpful, contributor in here, regardless of his age ... although he doesn't personally grow yet, he researches deeply enough, and retains that information, to intelligently try to help others ... I'd take one "Orangeman" to a hundred of some of you punkass brats ... and that's my two cents ... :smokin: