The Illusion Of Communication

[Wesley Pipes]

i agree with almost everything Plant said, except for the part about not fuckin anything that moves, i say if it makes u happy to fuck whoever u want whenever u want, then, as the NIKE adds say... Just Do It!!

[Wesley Pipes]

oh and Inferius dude, dont worry bout bein a virgin or livin with your dad or none of that, i didnt pop my cherry till i was 19, and i'm 21 still livin with my mum, so dont worry dude, it aint all that bad :thumbsup:

chin up man... peace :stoned:

[Ganj]

Through body language, facial expression, tone, and the words used to describe something, we humans attempt to communicate our perception of reality amongst each other.

>>>>>>>>>>>>But we all die alone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>We never truly understand one another. >>>>>>>>>>>>We are always, forever, alone.

We pretend to "grasp" another human's perception through comparison to our own, or through chemicals designed to make us feel as if we've "bonded",
but we cannot truly connect.

Our entire lives, from start to finish, one big battle with happyness and a sense of satisfaction from life. If you've ever done psychedelics... They can make you aware of the true distance between living things. I can never truly know if the feeling that I am trying to convey to my friend is the same thing as he feels. Unless his mental "trip" and chemical balance throughout life has been almost identical to my own, our expirience cannot be replicated simply by communicating.
The sense of thinking something brilliant while high comes from a myriad of chemical interactions. When you wake up the next day and read "GREAT IDEA: FEED CHICKEN BACON" next to a picture of an egg hatching a peice of bacon, do you really feel such a sense of awe like you did beforehand? Now imagine if your friend who was with you at the time wasn't stoned when you came up with that idea. Did he feel the sense of awe? No.
But this goes on every single day. Stupidity and emotional haze override our sense of rationality, and lead us to beleive that when we communicate with people and they act like they've expirienced the same life-chemicals as you, you truly do understand what it feels like to "be" the other person. But you don't.

We are truly alone, in our own minds. Encapsulated within a fragile skull, viewing what we perceive as others just like us but in different physical positioning on the planet... Should I just give in? Is rationality, the verbal mind, truly the cause of my pain? Should I let go, let my emotions and chemicals re-trick me, push me towards an illusion that allows me to feel a sense of belonging?

I don't want to be human anymore. I'm sick of this feeling.
I hate this wandering fear, the constant barrage of apathy, instant gratification, despise of myself and others... I feel out of place as a human being. The sad part is, a therapist would most likely tell me even THIS feeling is a product of my chemical imbalances, the result of my place in society and my relationships. I can never gain complete control when I am Trapped, SUFFOCATED, WITHIN this physical plane.

And i'm sick of lying on this site. A fucking internet forum, i've sunk this low to feed off my primal desires for human interaction.
I know very well that people look down upon those younger that them, seeing them as less informed, immature, that their opinions can never truly be taken seriously due to their age. But I want it off my chest.
I'm 16, a virgin, live with my father, sort of dropped out due to depression last year, I wear glasses, I have a strong distaste for most teenagers, especially when they act like teenagers. I hate the way they force themselves into groups or titles or fads due to social placement, how they succumb so deeply into their primal needs. I have one friend. And the friendship is based on music appreciation and drug use. That's it. Even that relationship is dying. I find anger and dullness to be the biggest personality turnoffs on this site, while I feel a desire to be noticed and liked by Birdgirl, or ItsAPlant, or anyone who's shown intelligence and a sense of humor about life.


Does anyone here think they understand?
Any advice? Opinion? Shut the fuck up you whiny teenager, so many african children are starving right now and all you can do is complain about your life?

My social awareness tells me to feel self-centered, selfish, pathetic, but I can't remove myself from my true being like so many "tough" men pretend to do.
the beauty of this world only manages to distract me for so long... I need something permanent.

My only advice for you is to put things into perspective for yourself. You have all you'll ever need. Now, I'm not sure I completely understand you in regards of our chemical similarities, but I'm guessing you feel a void. You feel incomplete in some major or minor way. When the truth is simply that you're already complete. You were born complete.

The beauty is not what distracts you. It's your mind. You're blinded to the beauty of this world, because in a beautiful world everything is accepted and you can live in content. We all share a universal mind. Thoughts you may think might very well not even be your own, so on and so forth. There's ample connectivity. We're all bounded on the interstellar plane of thought and for that, we're all the same.

[Wesley Pipes]

"An Intuitive Mind Is A Precious Gift And A Rational Mind A Bound Servant, We Have Created A Society That Glorifies The Servant And Denies The Gift" ~ A. Einstien.

i'm not sure if thats the exact quote but it's something along those lines... think about it anyway

[birdgirl73]

Inferius, I felt sad when I read your post. Sad that you're feeling down on yourself. I hope it's just a phase you're going through.

You know what? I just turned 45 and don't know a thing about life myself or where I really fit into it. I know I'm connected to my family and that I have a place in my community and in school. But is that all there is? I often ponder that question. I wasn't sure of anything when I was your age, and I'm still not sure today. Formally religious people, I'm sure, would tell me these questions signal a deep spiritual emptiness, but I generally find those types of people completely full of it.

It's a Plant, who is a wise and wonderful soul, had some really good suggestions for you. Definitely step outside the bounds of high school and meet some real people to connect with. High school is so superficial. It's understandable that you don't feel connected with anyone there. Two great ways to reach beyond that environment are through working or volunteering. Online friends are great, too, because there's something very freeing about the anonymity, but I think the deepest emotional connection comes from real in-person interaction. And when you reveal enough of yourself to others--and by this I mean real emotional revelation, deep sharing of feelings--you really do connect and feel less alone. This takes lots of practice, and the vulnerability required to do it is not easy.

I think it's admirable that you "revealed" your true self to us. That took courage. And I don't know if you've noticed or not, but your responses seem to indicate that you're highly regarded and cared about here, no matter who you are. I have never failed to enjoy reading your posts and seeing your insights, which are quite beyond the scope of your chronological years. I think the world of you and want you to feel the same way about yourself.

Take care, my friend. Much love and light to you.

[Ganj]

Inferius, I felt sad when I read your post. Sad that you're feeling down on yourself. I hope it's just a phase you're going through.

You know what? I just turned 45 and don't know a thing about life myself or where I really fit into it. I know I'm connected to my family and that I have a place in my community and in school. But is that all there is? I often ponder that question. I wasn't sure of anything when I was your age, and I'm still not sure today. Formally religious people, I'm sure, would tell me these questions signal a deep spiritual emptiness, but I generally find those types of people completely full of it.

It's a Plant, who is a wise and wonderful soul, had some really good suggestions for you. Definitely step outside the bounds of high school and meet some real people to connect with. High school is so superficial. It's understandable that you don't feel connected with anyone there. Two great ways to reach beyond that environment are through working or volunteering. Online friends are great, too, because there's something very freeing about the anonymity, but I think the deepest emotional connection comes from real in-person interaction. And when you reveal enough of yourself to others--and by this I mean real emotional revelation, deep sharing of feelings--you really do connect and feel less alone. This takes lots of practice, and the vulnerability required to do it is not easy.

I think it's admirable that you "revealed" your true self to us. That took courage. And I don't know if you've noticed or not, but your responses seem to indicate that you're highly regarded and cared about here, no matter who you are. I have never failed to enjoy reading your posts and seeing your insights, which are quite beyond the scope of your chronological years. I think the world of you and want you to feel the same way about yourself.

Take care, my friend. Much love and light to you.

I believe what he's frustrated with is the superficiality he perceives. Not only in others, but in himself as well. Casting rudimentary judments can be quite agitating when you're trying to accurately define someone by their behavior, especially to a pensive person like Inferius.

Inferius, if your aim is to learn people don't give up. We're all snow, yet we're all very unique individual snowflakes. You never know, you might be able to pin point a person's motives, desires, etc. a lot easier if you restrained your thought on the matter a little bit. You'll be amazed at how much more attentive you are when you silence the distractive voice inside. You're very intelligent from what I read, but you're also trying too hard. Let it be. We can search so long for something we want and once we relax we find that what we're looking for was right in our face.

[Its a Plant]

So how you been doin' Gizmo? I found this an interesting read and I guess didn't want to see it go down quite so soon.

You feelin' any better since this post? I see you're breezy, but just HOW breezy are you? =)

Take care. ~

[mrdevious]

I need something permanent.

The only permanent thing in this existence is impermanence. Learn the impermanent and illusionary nature of this universe, and you'll find peace with it. If you want to end the suffering of your own existence, it's as simple as learning to stop clinging to what you find within it. Maybe try some meditative techniques, learn to let go of your world and your sense of self, and be a temporary, constantly changing in form, conscious realm. And remember that most people's biggest obstacle to understanding this in meditation is the desire to cling to the higher state, rather than just observing it without concept, without it relating back to your self.

[Polymirize]

you just need to give yourself a reason to live. Actively. Get a hobby like playing music, or martial arts, or some sport, or find something interesting to study that the pursuit of which will drive you on.

I'll agree with Devious that impermanence is here to stay (or maybe not), but its all so superficial. Beneath the masks we all wear this world is inhabited with countless people who are more like you than you might suspect. Maybe they just don't have the courage to take off the masks yet.

I'll also agree with Itsaplant that you're one of the most insightful posters on the board and I look forward to reading what you bring to each thread. I think you've got a sharp and analytic mind and that can make it hard when you try to make sense out of the world, because much of the world is clearly nonsensical.

everything you've brought up is a physical process. But maybe physical processes aren't all there are. I'm not willing to give up on communication just yet. I think just about everyone here is pulling for you and saying the same thing if you just read between the lines.

best.

[mrdevious]

impermanence is here to stay (or maybe not).

lol, that brought a smirk to my face Polymerize.

Regarding the original post.... Just keep this in mind: your very right, your existence, world, and perceptions are your own. So learn how to manipulate your own world to form it into one that's enjoyable.

The world is your oyster... or cammel, or disneyland, whatever you want to make of it.