well, like the saying goes: "be careful what you wish for" ... my other Dutch Passion White Widow is also a male ... that's 2-for-2, after going almost forever without males ... ... oh well, ya can't let things get ya down ... I put one male WW in another room, until I decide if I will use him for breeding, or not ... since they both looked identical, I kept the one that showed sex first, assuming it is the more vibrant of the two ... the other male went, well .. let's just say he is enjoying the night air ... ... the three Motarebel Killa Queens seem to be thriving, still no definite sign of sex ... I topped the growing tip of all the KQs, as the breeder suggests they do well with it ... and the two Joey Weed NL99s are definitely female (no surprise there) ... more to follow ... :smokin: