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10-05-2006, 05:45 PM #11
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Your assuming that every law, like human laws, MUST be designed. But natural selection doesn't "just have to be", it simply makes logical sense. Those who have a disadvantageous genetic structure will be removed from the gene pool. No design necessary, just common sense.so the process for genitic mutation was there and the laws for these things just happen to be?
You've really got to stop using the term "random" so much. No proposed process, proven or unproven, claims that things come into being by random. Random mutations, chemical reactions, and so forth, may occure all the time, but they are not the cause for developement, only the material that's being worked with.but no where could other random things take place like.
Once again, you're assuming that a process which applies to one aspect in existence, must apply to ALL things (aspects) in existence. Life as we know it, or wherever it may exist, exists because the conditions were right for life to form. No evolutionist or any other theorist claims that absolutely every circumstance in any way, shape, or form must produce life. It is only claimed that life will arise, where circumstances are ideal for life to form, based on the available material. So far as I know, the center of a sun, or rings of saturn, or wherever, do not have the proper resources and conditions to create cellular life or proteins and gentic codes.why isn't everything teamming with some form of life. wheres the moon things and wheres the other forms of life that all have the same chance to come to be. your saying that life finds and makes it own way. where are the things that have made them self able to live in the sun or things that breath not oxygen and fromed on a comet. wheres the life that has found a way to live in space and off sun energy.
I don't recall claiming that.O thats right life can only live as you know it.
I see no evidence that life has stopped, new species are arising and being discovered all the time. And no, we can't make a new life, yet, but there was a time when we couldn't fly too.what caused life to stop why can we not make a new life or watch something elvolve today?
And you're right, we can't watch something evolve today. But what exactly do you think evolution is, X-men? an little wingless birdie didn't just walk along one day and suddenly grow wings and fly away. Evolution can't be directly observed, but only observed through fossil records, and potentially through human records assuming we can keep them a few million years. When we talk about evolution we're not talking about the creature that suddenly grows a new flibblejib that gives him an edge, we're talking about microscopic advantageous changes that occure over millions (or billions) of years. I can't even explain the immensely complex system of evolution just through these boards, go out and get a good book on it, or find a good website.
Exactly, NOTHING pops out of no where, not through evolution or god or the theory flibblejibbledynamics. I don't know how to make it any clearer, NOTHING is the result of "poping out of nowhere".Do you even understand how complex bacteria is? These things just don't pop out of no where. or could even be recreated today.
You have no proof of life formming it self.
I don't, though I'm not an expert in evolutionary biology. I can guarantee you there's plenty of evidence out there however. But this is all moot, disproving one theory does not automatically prove another. So far every argument for god I've heard relies on providing a lack of evidence for something, so god can get the credit by default. There isn't one piece of empiracle evidence that god had anything to do with anything.
btw, why did our "intelligent designer" give women a reproductive system that required 4 days of bleeding, pain, and mood swings? not to mention I'm wondering why he gave men such sensitive testicles, gave us all such sensitive and delicate eyes, gave us wisdom teeth which have to be yanked out (almost as if they're left over from a sub-human species with wider jaws), plus he gave us millions of little cancer cells ready to activate, joints that develope arthritis when we get old, brains that deteriorate at old age.
How about viruses like ebola that liquify our organs and make you shit them out, or HIV that remain's dormant for up to 24 years before giving you a slow painfull death, or leprosy that deforms you and eventually kills you. You'd think if god needs some population control he would just send down a virus that kills you quickly and painlessly.
And why wouldn't this world have all worked out by now? God has infinite wisdome and infinite power. Surely he would know that the holy scriptures he sends down wouldn't be enough, that the intelligence and critical thinking skills he gives us would lead heathens like myself to disbelieve his rather vague system of "faith". Why even bother to send down his word through Jesus when it's obviouly not enough to convince us. Freedom of will you say? Well he designed us, he designed out nature, he designed the processes going through our brains that make our will the way it is today. He should know exactly how this free will, and it's nature, will turn out.
Not to mention. Haven't all the holy profits had rather lame explanations? I mean they explained disease with demons, obviously oblivious to causes like viruses, bacteria, chemical imbalances. Why couldn't god explain things beyond the current scope of understanding? Like "hey you guys, just so you know, when the industrial revolution starts you're going to horribly pulute your planet, so be carefull of that. and btw, the reason you get sick is because there's microscopic organisms making you sick. and since I know you're going to twist my word in such-and-such a way to justify war, let me clarify...".
and might I say, it would have been really nice if Jesus performed some miracles that would leave some empiracle evidence. "and so Jesus removed the great mountain, placed it accross the lake, and turned the area into furtile farmland".
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