Kogrith, instead of putting links to various scriptures why not just give a brief appraisal of your position here? That's what the forum is for, a discussion, not a place to post links saying what other people have said.

Mud Dauber, thanks for the spelling heads up..

It reminds me of my favourite ever joke which was in a magazine called Private Eye a few years back. Printed on the page was a cartoon of two red indians (can I say that?) hiding behind a rock. Riding up through the pass was a masked man in the company of what appears to be several hundred companions. One injun is saying to the other..

"uh oh, here comes the highly gregarious ranger"

Well it made ME laugh anyways.

Peace