Argument supporting god...?

[Krogith]

Ignatius God has shown his hand through history. Your playing agenst a Royal Flush. with not even a pair

[Ignatius]

I need to see the hand. I've paid for it, it's no good you telling me he has a good hand..I need to see it.

Any time he's ready...

[MastaChronic]

i snuck a peek for you man, he has a duece an ace a queen a five and a 9

[Pass That Shit]

I need to see the hand. I've paid for it, it's no good you telling me he has a good hand..I need to see it.

Any time he's ready...

The dealer is shuffling the cards. Keep your eyes on the dealer and watch his hands. When the dealer flips the cards over, the cards will show their faces to all that are watching.

If you could "see" the hand, you wouldn't have to hope for a good hand.

This doesn't mean that hope has no substance. Hope comes with evidence.

[Mud Dauber]

Mud Dauber, I have empirical evidence that poker can support a family because I do it myself. Is that good enough for you? I'm not suggesting that anyone can do it, it requires a certain patience, and some skill and the ability to count. Not everyone has these skills.

Maybe I used the wrong words to explain my position re God. What I am saying is that there is no empirical evidence to support his existence. It is a matter of faith, not science. You agree with this, surely?

I can't see God all around me, I see phenomena as yet unexplained. I am sure that, in time, science will offer explanations. I am not a scientist, but I trust in science. Science invented the internal combustion engine and the jet engine, and I can now fly at the speed of sound if I so wish. God hasn't shown me a way to do that without science.

There are many explanations for your friend's experience. Perhaps it is because so many stories do the rounds about out of body experiences that they sink into our subconscious and come out at times like this. You know, if you are knocked out you can have all kinds of out of body experiences. I've been knocked out (I mean sparko) on two occasions and I experienced a similar thing (though not quite so vivid) myself. Certain opiates can provide the same thing. I don't know how familiar you are with opiates but I can assure you it is a common occurence. The same with LSD. That will make anyone see God, but I prefer an alternative explanation. I don't have all the answers, or even any of them really, but that does not mean I put it down to God by default.

You have faith, I do not. If God is a force for good, let him show it. To use a poker term, I want to see his hand... I call his Bible and raise hiim the weight of scientific opinion in the wake of the enlightenment.

All in...

(waits to see God's hand)

I'm not aware of anyone doing experiments to see if God exists. Are you ? He did, however, give us (some of us ) brilliant minds to be able to invent the internal combustion engine and the jet engine, among other things.

Iggy, you said yourself that you had a second job as backup - so how are you supporting your family with poker ?

I would now like to use my brilliant mind to make another observation - either A. you are an insomniac or B. working your two jobs has you up and about at odd hours. If it is B, then either your family also holds odd hours, or you never see them.

I fear that you won't see his hand until you die, Iggy, and then you will be saying OH SH!T, did I really waste all my time on that sorry hand ?

About opiates and LSD - I have done many of both in my lifetime (I was a Wild Child back in the day ), and never have I had an "out of body" experience. Neither have I known anyone on opiates or LSD to have experienced that, and I've known some doozies, I can tell you. Neither have I "seen God" on acid. Your sentence made me burst out laughing. (why don't they have a laugh smiley ?)

[Mud Dauber]

i snuck a peek for you man, he has a duece an ace a queen a five and a 9

I thought you weren't going to post on here anymore ?

Can't stay away, can you ?

[Ignatius]

Mud Dauber, the paucity of your argument leads you to cast aspersions on the time I spend with my family?

Shame on you.

[Mud Dauber]

Mud Dauber, the paucity of your argument leads you to cast aspersions on the time I spend with my family?

Shame on you.

Au contraire ! My argument is neither small, nor am I criticizing you on how you spend your family time !

I merely used the powers of deduction that I so carefully honed in my chemistry classes at college to come to the conclusion that I did. You live in Great Britain, you are posting on here at 9 and 10 PM my time - and since GB only has one time zone, then it is 3 and 4 AM where you are. So, either you are an insomniac, or you work odd hours. :thumbsup: No meanness there, sir. None at all

You forget that I also have children, and as I also have a job, I don't always get to spend as much time with them as I would like. I would not slate a fellow working parent.

Do not be so quick to bow up

[Ignatius]

But what does the time I do or do not spend with my family have to do with our discussion? It really isn't anyone's business but mine and theirs what hours I keep. We'd all like to spend more time with our children, but work is a necessity. Whether I put my work hours in throught the night, through the day, or a mixture of both is neither here nor there.

Capice kimo sabie?

[Mud Dauber]

But what does the time I do or do not spend with my family have to do with our discussion? It really isn't anyone's business but mine and theirs what hours I keep. We'd all like to spend more time with our children, but work is a necessity. Whether I put my work hours in throught the night, through the day, or a mixture of both is neither here nor there.

Capice kimo sabie?

I do understand, it was just an observation. Don't worry, I often talk about things out of the blue that have no bearing on anything. It drives my loved ones mad.

I see you like popular culture. It's "Kemo Sabe", or "Kemosabe", and I'm glad to see that you trust me, and think of me as a friend.